On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Charlie Brady wrote: > Jeff, with respect, I don't think you are any more capable > of changing the current process from the outside than I am. heh -- Jeff has consistently 'played fair' even in the face of libel and provocation for far longer than I can count. a person following #rpm and engaging in thoughtful and even vapid communication gets courteous and well written replies. Additionally, if he asked, I would lobby for his addition to the core CentOS cadre and innermost councils without hesitation -- but from riding to and from OLS with him, from sleeping in his guest bedroom and he in mine, from providing him free space for a 'wild hare' exploration he wanted to do [see: http://www.pmman.com/ ]and from talking on the phone often with him, I know he hears a different drum than I You know better than this. Of course he influences already; the build system model I have documented ftp://ftp.owlriver.com/pub/local/ORC/ is in part based on my talking with him about 'beehive' and 'Prospector' http://www.owlriver.com/projects/packaging/reproduceable-builds.txt > It is time for the CentOS team to speak. Some choose to not hear the answer (or perhaps not liked it) when I have spoken - Russ herrold