On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, R P Herrold wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Charlie Brady wrote: > > > Jeff, with respect, I don't think you are any more capable > > of changing the current process from the outside than I am. > > heh -- Jeff has consistently 'played fair' even in the face of > libel and provocation for far longer than I can count. a > person following #rpm and engaging in thoughtful and even > vapid communication gets courteous and well written replies. While I can take your word that this is true, I don't see how that is relevant here. I'm not accusing him of unfair play (or anything else). > You know better than this. Of course he influences already; > the build system model I have documented > ftp://ftp.owlriver.com/pub/local/ORC/ > is in part based on my talking with him about 'beehive' and > 'Prospector' > http://www.owlriver.com/projects/packaging/reproduceable-builds.txt Jeff's influence is indeed pervasive. But I maintain that he is not able to enforce change within the CentOS dev team from the outside. And neither am I. > > It is time for the CentOS team to speak. > > Some choose to not hear the answer (or perhaps not liked it) > when I have spoken I'm not sure whether you are being disingenuous here. --- Charlie