On 11/26/2010 12:21 PM, Stefan Held wrote: > Am Freitag, den 26.11.2010, 11:41 +0000 schrieb Karanbir Singh: > >> I am not sure where that came from - there is some level of fantasy that >> some of you guys seem to live with. Lets take for example the request >> for help with branding and trademark searches in the el6 source base. > > Karanbir, as this is a fairly new Process, not documented anywhere, how > would you expect the masses to help you out? +1, and to the rest of Stefan's reply. Specifically, as an observer who has the interest, skillset, and time to help, I considered this thread and the best answer I can come up with for why I haven't been more motivated to try and help is- A lack of a progress-bar. Or number. Or list in a wiki. If I thought I could 'go do something', and that work would translate in some progress-meter jumping from 2345/5000 to 2346/5000, I think I'd be much more likely to do it. Another variant of that which would make the sense of contribution and accomplishment be more visceral, might be a publicly visible repository of just .el6.srpm's filling up, that theoretically I could build in the process that has been documented on this list, but not so much AFAICS on a centos6 wiki page (see Stefan's comments below about the still very thin centos6 documentation via wiki). Another element (and I could have missed something - if so the issue is then prominence or obviousness -), is a lack of tangible examples for the format that such work would be required to be in. Yes, I can see the filing of bugs, but filing of bugs doesn't give the sense of satisfaction of the 2345->2346/5000 tick, or a new file appearing in a directory, the end of the road of that population or progress-meter being a new milestone of completeness of centos6. Now sure, I could just accept as my motivation, reward, and process letting some guru flag-holder, hold my hand, tell me what to do, and then pat me on the back. But that level of reward, especially with the STFU attitude I'm seeing from the flag-holder, does not induce me to contribute. Give us a progressbar, and publically visible examples, and maybe (seriously, maybe, I could be wrong), you might see more community contribution. I.e, I've wondered, and even looked but can't find, exactly what the format of the work is. I.e. a standard patch to specfile and file-level diff of SOURCES I would presume? I hope that explanation of why I personally haven't helped more is of help. And I admit it may still all be some rationalization where KS's vision of reality is still valid, and I may not have really done any work even if all those concerns were taken care of. Dunno... -dmc > >> the intention was to not do >> that, and to bring in a larger user base who can help cover issues that >> don't need specific centos resources. Also, the QA effort tends to be >> exceptionally manic, with things changing on an hourly basis, and some >> of us pushing for testing, results quite aggressively. >> > > Even if i look at the site you sugested to us, clearly, it states: > > <snip> > > webapp for people to suggest patches and branding changes : http://url > ( coming soon : this will visible and usable by anyone, not just the > QaTeam ) > > </snip> > > So this webapp is now bugs.centos.org? Fine, then please state it there. > Else maybe some of us where waiting for that webapp to come to glory. > >> The original email asking for help on this was posted on the 12th Nov. >> Its the 26th now. Check https://bugs.centos.org/ to see what level of >> participation has been forthcoming. > > See above. > >> And if people don't want to help with that joining-the-dots effort, >> they are never going to be a part of the process. > > Maybe the people are willing to help but do not know how? > > How they get the RHEL Beta, where to look in the rpms? > What must be reported? > >> Slightly frustrating ? Absolutely. > > Indeed. >