[CentOS-devel] progress?

Sun Feb 20 13:07:16 UTC 2011
jean-seb <jsh at interlug.net>

Le 20/02/2011 16:56, Johnny Hughes a écrit :
> On 02/20/2011 06:37 AM, jean-seb wrote:
>> Le 20/02/2011 16:31, Johnny Hughes a écrit :
>>> On 02/20/2011 06:11 AM, Dag Wieers wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, Larry Vaden wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Dag Wieers <dag at wieers.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>>>>>>> For the vast majority of packages, we make no changes.  We rebuild it
>>>>>>> and test it.  If the binary passes the test, we use it.  If the binary
>>>>>>> does not pass the test we troubleshoot and figure out why it does not
>>>>>>> pass the test ... and we change things OUTSIDE the SRPM to fix the
>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>> Yes, and those changes are closed.
>>>>> Hi Dag,
>>>>> Help this old former ASR33 operator understand, please:  are you saying
>>>>> 1) the changes aren't called out in the bug report to the upstream
>>>>> -or-
>>>>> 2) the bug reports to the upstream aren't timely
>>>>> -or-
>>>>> 3) your choice of words.
>>>> You cut away the meat of my message and focussed on the least important
>>>> bit, the non-transparency. I am more interested how we can do a better
>>>> job in the future.
>>>> Remind you that we have had the same discussions on this list in the
>>>> past, including the promises that it would be better in the future. And
>>>> here we are again and the situation is worse than it ever was.
>>>> So:
>>>> 4) CentOS is not able to release CentOS 5.6 after 2 months and nobody is
>>>>    allowed to be critical about it.
>>> You call what you are doing NON-CRITICAL?  I think you are not only
>>> allowed, but are being QUITE CRITICAL about it.  I wonder how
>>> understanding and nice YOU would be if I came to YOUR mailing list and
>>> showed the same level of CRITICALNESS towards something there.
>>>>    (Despite the fact that the effort to rebuild CentOS 5.6 packages is a
>>>>    lot easier than CentOS 6.0 which is already 3 months late)
>>>> 5) The same 3 people are responsible for CentOS 4, CentOS 5 and CentOS 6.
>>>>    What's more, the fact that there would be three update releases in 3
>>>>    months was predictable.
>>>> So despite all the automation, QA team, past promises and whatnot, we
>>>> are not doing a better job today and I had hoped at least some people
>>>> would agree instead of denying there's something wrong with the process
>>>> and blaming the non-volunteers/community for even bringing it up.
>>>> And despite what some people may think, I am not _against_ CentOS, in
>>>> fact the only reason why I am bringing it up is because * I * still *
>>>> care !
>>> Thank you for your concern.
>>> Oracle does not have the same issues and they just released their
>>> product.  SL has not released a final version of their 5.6 or 6.0
>>> either.  Maybe you should put this in perspective.
>> Hello,
>> Could I ask a simple question:
>> When the Centos6 build (for i386 or x86_64) was release / build  at 100%
>> (or close) ?
> If your question is, when will the CentOS6 build for i386 or x86_64 be
> released ... and if you want a hard date, well I can not give you one.
> It will be released the DAY we get a build that passes all our checks
> that I pointed to here:
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos-4/4/build/distro/tmverifyrpms
> We will then move it to QA where it will be tested.
> Once it is tested (and we fix any issues), it will be released.
> It might be 2 weeks from now or 2 months from now.  I would like to
> think it will be closer to 2 weeks, but it will be completed when it
> gets completed.
> I would point out that the original "REAL" CentOS release (version 3.1)
> took about 6-7 months, from sometime in October 2003 (when development
> started ) until March 19th, 2004 when there was a release.

No no, I would like to know the date you had build it "almost"
completely (there is some @$§! packages that are hard to build using mock),
It's to have a reference into the "initial build" (buggy but close to be
build) and the first "alpha release", specially for Centos6.



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