[CentOS-devel] CentOS 7 and release numbering

[Ljubomir Ljubojevic]

On 06/21/2014 06:56 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>> Just to emphasize, people want COMPATIBILITY with RHEL, that is why we
>> use it. If there will be no PERCEIVED compatibility, people will start
>> waling away from CentOS. As simple as that.
>
> And the CentOS goal is full functional compatibility.
>
> We do now have and will continue to have that.
>
> Changing a number in the name does not impact that at all ... it just
> means we are trying to better describe what CentOS is.
>

That IS the point over board and users are arguing about. Just like 
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder", so is the "truth" what something 
is or isn't. All of users are trying to PRESERVE what was established. 
We do not think CentOS should be redefined just because of minority that 
uses apps that are meant for certain point-in-time.

So if you choose to keep with this PR nightmare, be ready to have 
diminishing membership, instead of increasing it. That is at least what 
vast majority of us, majority of community, on this list think. If you 
were to conduct referendum on this issue, I think 99% of CentOS users 
would vote against.

And then, to the all that follow this, it would look like selected few, 
now on the payroll of company that has vested interest in future of 
CentOS distro/project will go against will of vast majority of projects 
community, and play in the hand of that same company and it's profits.

While we are at it, why is Red Hat owner of "centos.org" domain name?
And why is the Red Hat owner of CentOS trademark? "The CentOS Project is 
a community project. The CentOS Project leadership has transferred the 
CentOS trademark to Red Hat for protection and stewardship. The CentOS 
Governing Board will be responsible for policing use of the mark."

Who voted on it? Larger Community hasn't.

In fact, up to this point I thought CentOS is just joining forces with 
Red Hat. But text of the announcement says "The new initiative is going 
to be overseen by the new CentOS Governing Board." So this is actually 
NEW project that will claim CentOS name, but will not continue as 
CentOS, but in fat will be OpenRHEL. Only when I put together 2 and 2, 
Boards intention to remove OpenRHEL from CentOS that existed until 
January did I understood that my arbitrary story about what might happen 
is actually right.

Whois on centos.org:

Registrant Contact Information:
     Name: Red Hat, Inc.
     Organization: Red Hat, Inc.
     Address 1: 100 East Davie Street
     City: Raleigh
     State: NC
     Zip: 27601
     Country: US
     Phone: +1.9197543700
     Fax: +1.9197543704
     Email: Email Masking Image at redhat.com

Administrative Contact Information:
     Name: Domain Admin
     Organization: Red Hat, Inc.
     Address 1: 1801 Varsity Drive
     City: Raleigh
     State: NC
     Zip: 27606
     Country: US
     Phone: +1.9197543700
     Fax: +1.9197543704
     Email: Email Masking Image at redhat.com

Technical Contact Information:
     Name: Domain Admin
     Organization: Red Hat, Inc.
     Address 1: 100 East Davie Street
     City: Raleigh
     State: NC
     Zip: 27601
     Country: US
     Phone: +1.9197543700
     Fax: +1.9197543704
     Email: Email Masking Image at redhat.com


In light of this new revelation, if you go on with the change, count me 
out of any further contributing. I will continue to use it, but will 
welcome any attempt to restore old CentOS even under some other name.


-- 
Ljubomir Ljubojevic
(Love is in the Air)
PL Computers
Serbia, Europe

StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant