On 06/26/2014 05:08 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > On 06/26/2014 11:53 PM, Manuel Wolfshant wrote: >> On 06/27/2014 12:01 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: >>> On 06/26/2014 07:02 PM, Manuel Wolfshant wrote: >>>> On 06/26/2014 01:02 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote: >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> As in CentOS-6, I think we should skip the CD isos; there is little >>>>> point in that ( but we should do the minimal ISO, lets keep conversation >>>>> about that on its own thread ). >>>> I support that. CDs should be phased out, at least as main distribution >>>> media. IF there is demand for that, maybe create them and distribute via >>>> torrent. But I would not clobber the mirrors with CD-sized ISO images >>>> for the main distro >>>> >>>> >>>>> The main distro is just a hint over 6.6GB, that means we cant really put >>>>> all the stuff into a single DVD[1]; so we need to do the splits. In the >>>>> past, we've done multiple installs making sure that all the installable >>>>> components from the installer's groups, in english atleast, are all on >>>>> DVD#1 and the rest can goto DVD#2. I suspect that strategy will work >>>>> here as well, and does someone want to give it a shot and come up with a >>>>> list of rpms that are installable via the installer. >>>>> >>>> [...] >>>>> [1]: maybe we should do a single large 6.6GB ISO as well, and have it >>>>> available only on torrents, for people who might want or have access to >>>>> that large format media, or people who just want a copy of the primary >>>>> repo without using rsync. Thoughts ? >>>> +1 for distributing a single large ISO. A lot of people install from USB >>>> sticks and 8GBs ones have become more like a norm than a rarity >>>> nowadays. And a 4.7GB iso would not fit on a 4GB stick anyway so a 8GB >>>> one would be needed. Which means that the effort for whoever wants to >>>> install from a stick would not be "much" ( for a lax definition of much >>>> :) ) higher to download a 6.6 GB image instead of a 4.7GB one. I for >>>> one would grab the larger one. ... I still have the CentOS 5.7 iso on my >>>> phone's SD Card and install from it from time to time. >>>> >>>> >>> Although you are right for people with fast internet, there are still >>> thousands of people in undeveloped countries that have pay-by-MB >>> internet, some even only dial-up lines. >>> >>> So I suggest those CD ISO's to be built, no need to build them in >>> prime-time download frenzy, but they should exist, even if only on some >>> mirrors or in vault (small bandwidth users can not clog the server). >> They'd still need to download a bunch of CD images in order to be able >> to do an install. And at this point they'd rather get the minimal.iso >> and then use yum to add whatever they need. yum groupinstall <bunch of >> desktop related groups> will not be more painful than downloading the isos. >> > I was more referring to CD1, mostly enough to install Desktop/Server and > then update/add when they have internet connection. > > There was a fair number of people who would pay their "ISP" (in a broad > sense of the word) or a friend/company, and then some have slow direct > internet connection and others manually download rpm's and install them > off-line. > > Imagine installing from minimal ISO and then wait hours on dialup to > install. > > So paying for CD ISO (less money) to be able to install full desktop, > and then using slow internet connection for the rest. > We will also have a the following: 1. Minimal Install <something> (the something depends on the size when done, DVD or CD, depending on > or < 700MB) - This will be defined as matching a Minimal ISO from the DVD 2. Network Install - the boot.iso from the images directory right now 3. Micro Install - this will be a pared down version of the Minimal Install if people want it Any of those that end up less than 700 MB will be on a CD. However, what we are talking about here is not a subset install, but the full distro install. And that is what we are talking about not also producing and distributing. It would likely be 10-15 CDs full of stuff. I don't see a need for that format. Minimal, Network, maybe Micro and 2-3 DVD's for full tree. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/attachments/20140627/da599444/attachment-0007.sig>