Hey Stephen, On 9/18/19 11:55 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > Fedora builds are allowed by a happy accident that the number of > people who download packages are normally less than that the various > apps that make up koji can handle. We in Fedora have had to limit or > turn off access at times when people do download too much. The issue > is that CentOS usage space is 100x that of Fedora, and even if 0.1% of > CentOS users wanted to download directly from koji, that would be 100x > what Fedora koji sees from outside users. If we in Fedora saw that > kind of size jump we would have to severely limit access to the > packages also to only approved packagers or some other method. My biggest point is this is a solvable problem and it shouldn't be used as a stonewall to prevent these builds from being opened in a pre-release way (AKA a beta) so advanced users can scratch whatever itch they need on their end. You don't have to serve them from Koji, you can shove somewhere that can handle the load. > I understand your reasoning for the rest of the email, and it is > asking for CentOS to be a different project than it is. I am not asking CentOS to be Fedora. I am pointing out that there is a small subset of people in control of CentOS that have access huge user base that can and will help out with the release process. When you say I am asking for "CentOS to be a different project that it is" does that mean the CentOS project closed to it's own community members helping out? Is it really a small subset of developers that do not want to give any kind of a control or access until they deem it OK? I don't believe that is really the case, but I have lurked on this mailing list for many years and the overall vibe around release time always feels very anti-community. Again, I will put my money where my mouth is... How can I help? Where do I start? There are others in this thread that are also asking how they can help. Joe -- Joe Doss joe at solidadmin.com