On 31 Mar 18:32, Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 3/31/20 5:54 PM, Tuomas Kuosmanen wrote: > > Hi Johnny, > > > > I am very aware of the chaos symbol, and if you follow through our > > discussion in the git thread, we specifically wanted to preserve it, so > > we ruled out some otherwise interesting ideas. > > > > I think the chaos symbol has a lot of personality and the logo means a > > lot to the community. It would be foolish to throw that away. > > > > But it's late here, so I will try to reply more thoroughly tomorrow > > after reading the whole thread. > > > > Take care, > > Tuomas > > > > Tuomas, > > I appreciate all the work that you and areguera did .. and i like the > rounded design. I would be happy with one of each of the 4 basic colors > AND the one we have, and one with all 4 colors in place. > > Also maybe a white single color that could be put on a dark background. > So it would be 7 in total. Same design with different colors. > > Then, people could pick what they needed. On websites .. and printed > materials, we can use the multicolored .. on clothing or other printing > where they want to keep cost down, they could use a single color. > > This is just one person's opinion, mind you, not what needs to happen ;). +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2020, 00:37 Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org > > <mailto:johnny at centos.org>> wrote: > > > > On 3/31/20 1:52 PM, Julien Pivotto wrote: > > > On 31 Mar 12:46, Johnny Hughes wrote: > > >> On 3/31/20 11:56 AM, Karsten Wade wrote: > > >>> On 3/26/20 8:32 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> I think CentOS Linux and the CentOS Project has developed a > > brand .. > > >>>> people know what it is, and I, for one, do not want it to change. > > >>> > > >>> Considering that the nature of the universe is change and that logos > > >>> change all the time, what are the conditions you figure are ripe > > for the > > >>> CentOS Project to change _this_ logo? > > >>> > > >>> The designers articulated a number of reasons for the changes > > they propose. > > >>>> I am fine with approving a new, Single color Logo with a more > > standard > > >>>> font as an additive brand, but I like the logo that we have had > > for the > > >>>> last 17 years .. well, once we go rid of the pink text :). > > >>>> > > >>>> I don't want to prevent all change .. but I do think legacy is also > > >>>> important. > > >>> > > >>> I'd like to check that everyone read the discussion between the > > >>> designers here, because this comment from Johnny and the > > responses from > > >>> John Tatt and John Dennison are confusing. > > >>> > > >>> tl;dr > > >>> > > https://blog.centos.org/2020/01/updating-the-centos-logo-and-visual-style/ > > >>> > > >>> full discussion: > > >>> https://git.centos.org/centos/Artwork/issue/1 > > >>> > > >>> The monochrome logo is not additive, it is an evolution of the > > current > > >>> logo. The current proposal is not to have a different appearing > > logo in > > >>> monochrome than the one in color. They are different logos, > > resulting in > > >>> different branding, etc. > > >>> > > >>> I don't see how having two different logos solves any problems, > > but I do > > >>> see how it creates a whole lot of new problems. > > >>> > > >>> It is important that feedback here be more than "I don't like it, I > > >>> don't want change, what we have works fine". > > >>> > > >>> We need to hear: > > >>> > > >>> * What don't you like about the proposed logo in comparison to the > > >>> existing logo? > > >> > > >> It is not the logo that I helped design 17 years ago. > > >> > > >>> > > >>> * Is there more about not wanting change than not wanting change? > > >> > > >> Yes .. we have a brand that is recognized the world over. Double > > digit > > >> percentages of all the servers on the internet and double digit > > >> percentages of all the super computers in the world run CentOS Linux. > > >> > > >> I don't think we need to confuse the brand. > > >> > > >> You brought this to this list to discuss it and give our opinions. I > > >> like the current, well known, what everyone on the street knows > > branding. > > >> > > >> I think we lose a lot by changing that branding and I don't want to > > >> change it. > > >> > > >> That is my opinion .. I get to have my opinion. > > >> > > >> If you want to change the logo, change the logo .. but you asked for > > >> opinions. > > > > > > First of all I am surprised that Johnny was not included in the > > previous > > > discussions. > > > > > > I do not like that the new logo is blue as that color does not really > > > have a personality. It is overrepresented in branding in general > > IMO, and > > > it is for this reason not really something you can recognize from far > > > away. > > > > > > Regarding the colors, I don't like the current logo color and I think > > > that if the argument to change is that it can not be embroided, I > > am all > > > for having the proposed logo to be embroided e.g. on one color but > > > keeping the current color (or modernizing them) for everything web > > > related. Our screens don't have that embroided issue. > > > > > > On the other hand, I like the curve style, even if it looks a bit more > > > like toys and less like entreprise. > > > > I would be fine adding that logo .. and one of every one monochrome of > > the primary logo colors .. and one that is rounded with the colors. I > > don't mind the new shapes. > > > > For those who don't know the CentOS history .. we started out as a > > sub-project of cAos Linux .. and the logo is shaped like it is because > > of the symbol for caos (chaos): > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbol_of_Chaos > > > > So .. 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