[CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 7:20 AM Josh Boyer <jwboyer at redhat.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 11:40 AM Ljubomir Ljubojevic <centos at plnet.rs>
> wrote:
> >
> > On 12/9/20 4:25 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote:
> > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:16 AM Phil Perry <pperry at elrepo.org
> > > <mailto:pperry at elrepo.org>> wrote:
> > >
> > >     On 09/12/2020 15:08, Brendan Conoboy wrote:
> > >     > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:59 AM Ljubomir Ljubojevic
> > >     <centos at plnet.rs <mailto:centos at plnet.rs>
> > >     > <mailto:centos at plnet.rs <mailto:centos at plnet.rs>>> wrote:
> > >     >
> > >     >     So when you remove binary compatibility, why would anyone
> > >     bother with
> > >     >     CentOS/RHEL unless they want a job in a company that pays
> for RHEL
> > >     >     support?
> > >     >
> > >     > What sort of binaries are you concerned about being incompatible?
> > >
> > >     Any kernel device drivers, for a start. Kind of critical if your
> > >     SAS/RAID device wont boot, or your network device doesn't come up,
> or
> > >     your GUI doesn't start because your display drivers aren't
> compatible
> > >     anymore. Just minor things like that maybe?
> > >
> > >
> > > OK, so out-of-tree drivers.  If those keep on working does that make
> > > CentOS Stream viable for your use?
> >
> > The problem we CentOS users have with "RHEL Stream" is "IF" it works. I
> > do not want to think about "IF". RHEL Stream is meant to constantly,
> > daily get packages and patches that are not yet tested, to BE tested on
>
> This is actually not the case.  Today, our RHEL development model
> requires package updates to undergo testing before they are included
> in the distribution, even internally.  CentOS Stream will continue
> this trend as we upstream many of our RHEL CI workflows to Stream
> itself.
>
> > users.  From RHEL Stream FAQ: "CentOS Stream is a distribution that
> > community members can use to take advantage of a stable ABI/API for
> > development and testing," DEVELOPMENT AND TESTING.
>
> It would be disingenuous to say Stream won't have bugs.  All software
> development has bugs.  However, the "development and testing" part
> actually extends to the development and testing of the software *you*
> are developing.  Stream exists as a base for you to do your own
> development and testing.
>

*WE* aren't doing development and testing! We're running systems that are
trying to get work done. The whole POINT of CentOS was a recompile of the
Open Source parts of RHEL. A stable *Enterprise* level operating system.

Do you people not understand that??



>
> > I do not have time to mess with "might work, might not" testing distro,
> > otherwise I would play on the sand with Fedora. RHEL clone is best
> > available option and in return for me using code prepared for RHEL I was
> > telling anyone who would listen how CentOS is great, for me better then
> > Debian/Ubuntu or other distro's. CentOS Facebook group has more members
> > then Fedora FB group, partially due to me posting ton of resource links
> > and how-to's and helping anyone who asked for help even if I had to look
> > for answer my self.
> > I do NOT have FAITH that Stream will be production ready, and I do not
> > have free time to experiment or check if it will work or not when I run
> > update, and that is only thing that matters. No amount of "do not worry"
> > will change my mind. As soon as it is crystal clear (I still hope) that
> > "CentOS Linux" is dead, I will stop advocating for CentOS, actually I
> > will start advocating AGAINST CentOS and look for alternatives, either
> > other clones or Debian.
> >
> > I will not respond to any more e-mails or tweets about this topic, there
> > is nothing more to be said except R.I.P CentOS :-(
>
> I understand if you don't want to continue the conversation.  I do
> want to say that with CentOS Stream, we're committed to developing a
> stable and world class project that literally produces RHEL.  I hope
> in the future if you decide to revisit your OS choice that you take a
> moment and see what we're doing here.  I think you might find that
> we're working very hard to avoid the things you're concerned about,
> because we *need* to avoid those same things in RHEL anyway.
>
> josh
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