[CentOS-devel] Before You Get Mad About The CentOS Stream Change, Think About…

Le 19/12/2020 à 11:24, Laurențiu Păncescu a écrit :
> On 12/18/20 9:03 PM, Jean-Marc Liger wrote:
>> It's sad to say, but CentOS-devel mailing list was more intersting 
>> without some Red Hat proud boys.
> I was just a small-time contributor to CentOS (maintaining the Vagrant 
> images for 6 and 7), and I'm sad to see it go - sad, not angry. Seeing 
> the discussion degenerate in personal attacks makes me even sadder. 
> Disclosure: I do not, and never did work for Red Hat.
>
> Your email address is from a French domain - I would like to believe 
> you were not aware the "proud boys" is the name of a neo-fascist 
> organization based in the USA, which was quite a few times in the US 
> news recently.[1] That kind of comment crosses a line for me, no 
> matter what Mr. McGrath might have decided or written above.
>
> For people that never heard of Mike McGrath, he was the founder and 
> architect of OpenShift, and, according to his LinkedIn page, corporate 
> vice-president of Linux Engineering at Red Hat and management lead for 
> RHEL8. I don't know him personally, but, management position aside, I 
> think he probably is an intelligent and technologically apt person, 
> who deserves more respect than invoking Godwin's law.[2] I'm also not 
> sure how many upper managers at other companies would have spent many 
> hours since the announcement on IRC and this mailing list, only to be 
> (sometimes) shouted at and insulted. Mr. McGrath, in case you're 
> reading this, sad as I am to see CentOS Linux go, many thanks for the 
> years of financial and engineering support that Red Hat donated to the 
> CentOS Project. I would also like to express my heartfelt thanks to 
> Karanbir, Fabian and Brian, who have helped me all these years.
>
> CentOS Stream might be great even for some productions roles, time 
> will tell. It's definitely not a substitute for people needing 10 
> years of support or binary compatibility with RHEL (especially for 
> expensive, proprietary hardware, whose vendors only support RHEL). I 
> would have found it better if Red Hat did this before CentOS Linux 8 
> was released, or at least to have communicated openly that they are 
> considering sunsetting it, but that doesn't change the reality: CentOS 
> Linux, as we knew it and loved it, is dead, and we'll have to migrate 
> to one of several RHEL rebuilds (OEL and Springdale were available for 
> years, and Red Hat will continue to publish sources), or to some other 
> LTS distro.
>
> Best wishes,
> Laurențiu
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys
> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Ok, let's consider it was a mistake to write it that way, I took you 
remarque your remark in consideration and apologize, as reading some 
answers puts more fuel on fire.

Red Hat must stop saying us ithis decision was a good one for the CentOS 
Communiity, it'not, it might have been a good one for IBM/Red Hat 
business and nothing all.

Many of us couldn't afford RHEL registration, so we were regularly 
contributed, at a low or high level depending on our motivation and our 
time, to the Red Hat ecosystem, not the Red Hat business model, knowing 
the latter cannot sustain the long term without the former.

Twenty years ago there was a company with best Unix Solaris and ZFS and 
Java which became arrogant and sold us expensive SUN Stations with poor 
IDE disks instead of strong SCSI one's. We bought DELL Servers with Red 
Hat Linux... And we can easily change some piece again.

A fair way of doing things would have been : "Hey guys since we Red Hat 
have bought CentOS, making a downstream release of RHEL is just a 
nonsense, It costs us time and money we can save. So let's reverse the 
process and make RHEL a downstream of CentOS Linux. It will now be 
Fedora ELN - > CentOS Stream - > CentOS Linux - > RHEL."

Red Hat would have kill all the clones by releasing CentOS Linux first, 
the Community would have been happy and not anger to help to get a 
better RHEL in the Stream process, and Red Hat folks could have put all 
the value of their brand and specificities in their final products, 
backed with a strong ecosystem they could have controlled.

Jean-Marc