On 12/8/20 7:20 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > On 12/8/20 10:15 AM, Dan Seguin wrote: >> Yeah, the "free" help just grinded to a halt. >> >> Rich, you being the messenger, send it upwards to (IBM)? >> >> Your missive is going to make a lot of people go elsewhere. > > > FWIW. IBM has not been part of this conversation. Red Hat is an > independent entity. (Yes, I'm sure that resulted in eyerolls, but it > also happens to be true.) > > And, yes, not only is feedback here being relayed to management at Red > Hat, most of them are also here reading it the same time that I am. Good. In 2006 I chose to learn and run only rpm distributons. First 2 years I ran ClarkConnect (now ClearOS) and then I switched both server and desktop/laptop OS to CentOS (around 5.3). I have been active in CentOS community, recompiled ~70 desktop packages from Fedora to CentOS and I am main admin for official CentOS Facebook group since 2011. It can be said that my efforts in posting not only official articles but howto's and resources, and answering newbies expanded FB group from ~300 to 26.800 members. I was practically single member of Serbian Linux community that offered help for CentOS/RHEL for years. My main reason for using only CentOS was because it was predictably stable + my commitment for rpm's. I use my laptop for earning money, and I suffered through many driver issues and lack of some "Desktop" packages/apps just so I can avoid Fedora because I did not want to experiment with my OS, just work on it without any fear it will stop working. Some bugs would creep up, but it would be quickly fixed. I think I reported several dozens of issues over the years, some in CentOS bug tracking system and others directly to Red Hat. I considered it my humble contribution to free but stable OS. When CentOS team started working for Red Hat, I was supportive and "fought" many "duels" with people who thought it was treason. I explained that this does not have to change anything. I was also supportive when Stream was announced. It now looks like I was the fool who believed all the sweet words of "honorable intentions". ************************************************************************* Only way I am going to stay in CentOS/RHEL/rpm ecosystem is we users are provided with system/mechanism to use only those packages that are released in CURRENT version of RHEL, 8.5, 8.6,... , WITHOUT all the beta versions of packages. It can be something similar like CR repo where those who want it can install/update all the new packages, but those who do not can update only packages changed in current RHEL version. Other option is using RHEL clone that Gregory Kurtzer plans on starting : https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/#comment-183642 But other then that, I will be too uneasy to use CentOS Stream for anything, better to join vast majority of my colleagues and switch to Debian Stable for every single Linux I ever installed... ************************************************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS-devel mailing list > CentOS-devel at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant