On 12/9/20 12:15 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 01:54:30PM -0800, Lance Albertson wrote: >> Ubuntu LTS releases where you have a release you know will be the same for >> an extended period of time. This change seems as though the "LTS" model of >> CentOS is going away and following a model more closer to Fedora and Ubuntu >> non-LTS releases. As a sysadmin that concerns me quite a bit since I have a >> moving target which may have unintended consequences. I realize the >> comparison to Ubuntu's release model is not 1:1 to RHEL/CentOS, so please >> forgive me on that. > > > I would say that it's quite a long way away, actually. RHEL's model isn't > changing, so you can expect the amount of change in minor releases to stay > the same. And CentOS Stream won't have anything that's not planned to go > into one of those releases, so the overall change should be the same. Majority of users do NOT WANT Stream, do NOT CARE about Stream, they care about RHEL CLONE, 99% binary compatibility. CentOS does not have proprietary and non-free packages including drivers and multimedia codecs, you have to add 3rd party support which are not as reliable as full distro, kernel is not vanila and RHEL one has a lot of things disabled, many developers, especially of apps for Desktop use do not want to even support rpm packages... So when you remove binary compatibility, why would anyone bother with CentOS/RHEL unless they want a job in a company that pays for RHEL support? Stream (we should start calling it RHEL Stream) will never be binary compatible clone of RHEL, so it looses it's appeal, so we have to look elswhere. I never considered Fedora more then a plaything, and I neve even though about even installing Stream for testing, I just do not need it. > > If, instead, you want more change, come join us over in Fedora Server. :) > > >> Matt described this a little better via his comment on LWN [1]: > [...] >>> also made by Red Hat, but inside without any transparency. And if you're >>> unsure about community engineering decisions and Fedora's independence … >>> buy me a beverage sometime and ask me about Btrfs! > > That offer of buying me beverages is valid as soon as the pandemic is over, > by the way. :) > >> [1] https://lwn.net/Articles/839341/ > > -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant