I want to second this and thank Johnny and the rest of the team for all the work they've put in over the years. I guess blue wash finally happened. > On 9 Dec 2020, at 16:30, Mauricio Tavares <raubvogel at gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 8:25 AM Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org> wrote: >> >>> On 12/9/20 7:14 AM, Julien Pivotto wrote: >>>> On 09 Dec 06:46, Johnny Hughes wrote: >>>> >>>> That is correct .. so, the Red Hat Liaison can use Section B. of the >>>> Governance to dictate a vote. If the board FORCES the use of this >>>> clause, then whatever was wanted (in this case by Red Hat) would get >>>> inacted in its entirety with no real input from the board. >>>> >>>> https://www.centos.org/about/governance/voting/ >>>> >>>> The CentOS Board knows this, so we had a dialoge with Red Hat instead. >>>> Red Hat presented their case and listened to our response. There was a >>>> significant back and forth. >>>> >>>> So, no one 'FORCED' the board to do anything. Red Hat told us what they >>>> were going to do (what you quoted). The board then made many >>>> recommendations in a back and forth negotiation. The board then made a >>>> decision. The decision was reluctant .. but it was unanimous. >>>> >>>> And now this is the way forward. >>> >>> >>> Johnny, >>> >>> As this was not dictated by Section B, it seems that the board could >>> revert this decision by another vote. >>> >>> I'd like to see this topic re-discussed, based on community feedback. Is >>> that a possibility? >>> >> >> I very much doubt it. I have been doing this for 17 years and CentOS is >> basically my life's work. This was (for me personally) a heart >> wrenching decision. However, i see no other decision as a possibility. >> If there was, it would have been made. >> >> As I said, there was a back and forth. We got all the concessions we >> could get. It is what it is. But as I also said, it was a unanimous >> decision. > > Without naming names to protect who shared me this story, > someone I know who was at one level below the CEO of a given company > was in a meeting where the CEO decided to make this, er, Interesting > decision. Members of the meeting brought up some concerns and then > started a discussion on how to adjust the CEO plan to address or > minimize the impact of the concerns. At a certain point the CEO > exploded and said "you people are wasting my time. All I want is > thumbs up or thumbs down. Choose now!" > > Now, everyone knew if you wanted to go against the CEO you may want to > brush your resume and keep your network current first; in his first > year at that company he fired some 50 managers and replaced them with > "people who were more appreciative to his grand view." So, it was a > unanimous vote. > > One of the unplanned consequences was many of their brightest > employees started jumping ship as soon as the decision was announced. > Two years later that CEO announced *he* decided to step down. > > In other words, Johnny I think most people on this list would like to > thank you for all the effort you have put to make CentOS what it is. > And some of us can appreciate the situation you have been put in and > will not blame you for the decision you had to make. We are not here > to shoot the messenger; we are just pointing out there will be (not > really) unexpected consequences to the CentOS move to the flow/leaky > model. Some people will be able to adapt to it and follow that cheese, > others will choose to look for another cheese. > > All I can say is that this chapter of the CentOS/RH/IBM story is > coming to an end and a new one is beginning. > > And, I like cheese > _______________________________________________ > CentOS-devel mailing list > CentOS-devel at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel