[CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

Wed Dec 9 17:02:42 UTC 2020
duncster at gmail.com <duncster at gmail.com>

I want to second this and thank Johnny and the rest of the team for all the work they've put in over the years.
I guess blue wash finally happened.

> On 9 Dec 2020, at 16:30, Mauricio Tavares <raubvogel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 8:25 AM Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org> wrote:
>>> On 12/9/20 7:14 AM, Julien Pivotto wrote:
>>>> On 09 Dec 06:46, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>>>> That is correct .. so, the Red Hat Liaison can use Section B. of the
>>>> Governance to dictate a vote. If the board FORCES the use of this
>>>> clause, then whatever was wanted (in this case by Red Hat) would get
>>>> inacted in its entirety with no real input from the board.
>>>> https://www.centos.org/about/governance/voting/
>>>> The CentOS Board knows this, so we had a dialoge with Red Hat instead.
>>>> Red Hat presented their case and listened to our response.  There was a
>>>> significant back and forth.
>>>> So, no one 'FORCED' the board to do anything.  Red Hat told us what they
>>>> were going to do (what you quoted).  The board then made many
>>>> recommendations in a back and forth negotiation.  The board then made a
>>>> decision.  The decision was reluctant .. but it was unanimous.
>>>> And now this is the way forward.
>>> Johnny,
>>> As this was not dictated by Section B, it seems that the board could
>>> revert this decision by another vote.
>>> I'd like to see this topic re-discussed, based on community feedback. Is
>>> that a possibility?
>> I very much doubt it. I have been doing this for 17 years and CentOS is
>> basically my life's work.  This was (for me personally) a heart
>> wrenching decision.  However, i see no other decision as a possibility.
>> If there was, it would have been made.
>> As I said, there was a back and forth.  We got all the concessions we
>> could get.  It is what it is.  But as I also said, it was a unanimous
>> decision.
>      Without naming names to protect who shared me this story,
> someone I know who was at one level below the CEO of a given company
> was in a meeting where the CEO decided to make this, er, Interesting
> decision. Members of the meeting brought up some concerns and then
> started a discussion on how to adjust the CEO plan to address or
> minimize the impact of the concerns. At a certain point the CEO
> exploded and said "you people are wasting my time. All I want is
> thumbs up or thumbs down. Choose now!"
> Now, everyone knew if you wanted to go against the CEO you may want to
> brush your resume and keep your network current first; in his first
> year at that company he fired some 50 managers and replaced them with
> "people who were more appreciative to his grand view." So, it was a
> unanimous vote.
> One of the unplanned consequences was many of their brightest
> employees started jumping ship as soon as the decision was announced.
> Two years later that CEO announced *he* decided to step down.
> In other words, Johnny I think most people on this list would like to
> thank you for all the effort you have put to make CentOS what it is.
> And some of us can appreciate the situation you have been put in and
> will not blame you for the decision you had to make. We are not here
> to shoot the messenger; we are just pointing out there will be (not
> really) unexpected consequences to the CentOS move to the flow/leaky
> model. Some people will be able to adapt to it and follow that cheese,
> others will choose to look for another cheese.
> All I can say is that this chapter of the CentOS/RH/IBM story is
> coming to an end and a new one is beginning.
> And, I like cheese
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