[CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

Thu Dec 10 19:01:46 UTC 2020
Sergio Belkin <sebelk at gmail.com>

El jue, 10 dic 2020 a las 15:25, Ljubomir Ljubojevic (<centos at plnet.rs>)

> On 12/10/20 1:19 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> > It would be disingenuous to say Stream won't have bugs.  All software
> > development has bugs.  However, the "development and testing" part
> > actually extends to the development and testing of the software *you*
> > are developing.  Stream exists as a base for you to do your own
> > development and testing.
> >
> What is with you Red Hat people and "developers"? Do you really live in
> a fairy-tale world where every Linux user is a "developer"?
> All my ranting I am to commit will be explained at the end of the rant.
> I started as simple Windows admin and Delphi programmer that in 2004
> became small WISP and needed Firewall/router/Web&Mail server. So I
> installed ClarkConnect 4 and had to learn iptables to overcome CC's web
> config. In 2007 I started experimenting with standalone Linux system and
> in 2008 installed C5 web/mail/NFS/Samba server and Desktop systems and
> was forced to learn how to use them and configure them.
> Then I learned how to harden Postfix, how to install and maintain Joomla
> and webshop, then I started learning programming in BASH with ncurses
> and multidimensional arrays to create TUI script to manage my Wireless
> routers (ping, trace, backup, login,...).
> Then I needed another server but because I did not have enough money I
> ended up creating KVM host/guest, but because my only server was 32-bit
> and RHEL dropped support for 32-bit KVM hosts, I studied and learned
> from internet how to build KVM kmod module for 32-bit CPU/kernel (some
> Hungarian? guy in CentOS community explained it in detail). Everything I
> learned was when I NEEDED it, and I did it all by my self.
> After building KVM module and learning how to compile/package rpm's, I
> decided to rebuild some packages from Fedora to have more tools for my
> Desktop CentOS 5. I ended up producing around 70 packages including
> packaging Skype with static libraries into rpm. I was only person in the
> world to do it, and since almost no one used CentOS 5 as Desktop/laptop,
> only few people used it. I ended up creating "DentOS" repository with
> those Desktop packages which mostly only I installed to friends and
> clients. And my clients were not rich (I am from Serbia and legal
> software in companies is even today only 30-40%) so even getting them to
> but a PC for RAID file server needed persuading.
> I was one of rare ones to create RAID out of partitions and not disks.
> Why? Because I needed
> Then I needed to learn some PHP and Python, so I did. I was one of very
> rare ISP's in my country to provide sending mail via port 587 (with SSL)
> because largest ISP's allowed sending e-mail for accounts on their mail
> servers only from inside their own networks and only on port 25. I was
> shocked to learn of that, but I was pushing the envelope just like I was
> only one in Serbian Linux community to use CentOS for Desktop/laptop.
> So even though I was actively preaching about bigger CentOS use to
> everyone who wanted to listen, and I created largest resources and
> howto's collection (I became admin of the official CentOS Facebook group
> in 2011 and ever since published there resources and articles) and I
> daily solved problems for newbies, beside using it my self as desktop, I
> rarely built Linux systems and only involvement was "yum update" and
> some "spring cleaning" on few servers I managed.
> So in last 10 years I installed only some 4-5 CentOS servers (Samba +
> KVM host with legal Windows guest), if I do not count several CentOS
> systems for my own use, mostly Laptops for me. And THAT IS IT, no grand
> scheme, no dozens or hundreds of servers, no big development projects,
> no University diploma, just a guy fixing Windows PC's in small IT shop
> for small number of clients and installing WISP clients.
> At the moment I am System Admin in a 60-employee company with 50 Windows
> PC's and 3 FreeNAS/TrueNAS file servers, and the only Linux is my laptop
> running CentOS 8 with MATE.
> Now the punchline: MOST CentOS users are like that. Not "developers" but
> small server owners or hosting renters.
> I am admin for CentOS Facebook group for 9 years. I grew it from 300
> members to 26.800 members. BUT what you do not realize is that vast
> majority of those Facebook users when they joined our group or "Linux"
> FB group, where I was one of the admins in ~2010-2015 and advocated
> CentOS like a biggest zealot, only heard that Linux exist and wanted to
> learn something. They rented some hosting or Linux VM and needed to
> learn basics. Only maybe 20-30 members (out of 26.800 + all those that
> over 9 years left the group or closed the FB account) were established
> Linux users.
> When we explain them that there are no audio/video codecs due to legal
> restrictions, that kernel is backported and adding some module is not
> possible if they compile vanila kernel because it brakes the kABI, that
> they need to install centosplus kernel because driver they needed RHEL
> does not want to support, that CentOS tools for development are too old
> because of version freeze, that they need to install several 3rd party
> repositories to make their server work, they then asks us "but why would
> we use CentOS instead of Debian, Ubuntu, SUSE...?"
> And every single time the response was "Because Red Hat is great company
> that created great and very stable product and CentOS is almost total
> clone of RHEL, and when they learn how to manage CentOS they can go for
> RH Linux certification. And that is it, for them CentOS does not have
> any other competitive edge over other Linuxes beside "99% clone of
> RHEL". SELinux was more of the repelling point, vast majority would just
> turn it off when they read first Howto on the internet, and great
> efforts went to lpleading with them to try to learn SELinux.
> So the fact that there are 1.000 guys that do developing on CentOS does
> not mean that majority of CentOS users are "developers", on the
> contrary, vast majority of servers running CentOS, especially rented
> VM's are run/controlled by guys like me whose main job is not to manged
> Linux servers, that is only a side job and many only barely understand
> what they are doing. They installed the system, configured it via some
> tutorial, and left it running.
> "First step in solving a problem is realizing there IS a problem.".
> Your first problem is that you do not understand VAST majority of your
> users just want Linux server to run their small business they do not
> have to pay for. And there is no free RHEL license for us with no money
> and need for Linux server.
> Your second problem is that main "selling" point for them to use CentOS
> was "free clone", and only reason they were "sold" that mantra was
> because us zealots worked very hard to convince them to chose CentOS
> over other distro's. And we are NOT going to stake OUR credibility to
> support your illusions of grandeur that CentOS Stream with packages 3-6
> months ahead of current RHEL will be stable enough to not cause THEM any
> problems (including paid-for software like CPanel, Virtualmin, and many
> others people run on servers).
> Third problem you have is that while hosting vendors WILL stop offering
> "CentOS Linux 8" to renters, just like you wanted, they will NOT stake
> THEIR reputation and pay THEIR support staff for EVERY incident/crash
> YOUR Stream will cause to THEIR customers. They will continue to offer
> C7 until 2024 and their EL8 offering will be just switched to ANOTHER
> clone of RHEL. Since Red Hat is OBLIGATED to publish source code, clones
> like Springdale and new ones WILL CONTINUE to be built and offered.
> But now, due to greed of your employers, all of us from EL (Enterprise
> Linux) community who were loyal to "RHEL clone" known as "CentOS Linux"
> are going to LEAVE. As soon as I can I will run a Springdale Linux VM to
> check things out, and as soon as I am satisfied with it I will then
> change every single CentOS server I have to Springdale.
> NEVER again will I install a system with CentOS brand, and since no one
> I know has the money to buy the RHEL license, I will never be in
> position to offer it to someone, luckily.
> And I doubt those in the position to recommend some Linux system with
> subscription are going to recommend RHEL to anyone EVER again after your
> (Red Hat's) stupid stunt.
> So feel free to live in your little "developer" fantasy before it comes
> crashing down when mass exodus occurs, and I will focus on some damage
> control and try to redirect those leaving CentOS for other distro's to
> Springdale, so that EL community is damaged as little as possible.
> --
> Ljubomir Ljubojevic
> (Love is in the Air)
> PL Computers
> Serbia, Europe
> StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant
It's the DEVops fairytale. With **DEV** in uppercase and bold and ops with
lowercase, despite that as 'we' sysadmins have to solve the disasters made
by brilliant developers.
DEVops is the flogisto of the new age (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phlogiston_theory). And everyone that
challenges must be sent to the bonfire...
Some people think  that Facebook reality it's the entire IT world reality.

Sergio Belkin
LPIC-2 Certified - http://www.lpi.org
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