On 12/18/20 9:03 PM, Jean-Marc Liger wrote: > It's sad to say, but CentOS-devel mailing list was more intersting > without some Red Hat proud boys. I was just a small-time contributor to CentOS (maintaining the Vagrant images for 6 and 7), and I'm sad to see it go - sad, not angry. Seeing the discussion degenerate in personal attacks makes me even sadder. Disclosure: I do not, and never did work for Red Hat. Your email address is from a French domain - I would like to believe you were not aware the "proud boys" is the name of a neo-fascist organization based in the USA, which was quite a few times in the US news recently.[1] That kind of comment crosses a line for me, no matter what Mr. McGrath might have decided or written above. For people that never heard of Mike McGrath, he was the founder and architect of OpenShift, and, according to his LinkedIn page, corporate vice-president of Linux Engineering at Red Hat and management lead for RHEL8. I don't know him personally, but, management position aside, I think he probably is an intelligent and technologically apt person, who deserves more respect than invoking Godwin's law.[2] I'm also not sure how many upper managers at other companies would have spent many hours since the announcement on IRC and this mailing list, only to be (sometimes) shouted at and insulted. Mr. McGrath, in case you're reading this, sad as I am to see CentOS Linux go, many thanks for the years of financial and engineering support that Red Hat donated to the CentOS Project. I would also like to express my heartfelt thanks to Karanbir, Fabian and Brian, who have helped me all these years. CentOS Stream might be great even for some productions roles, time will tell. It's definitely not a substitute for people needing 10 years of support or binary compatibility with RHEL (especially for expensive, proprietary hardware, whose vendors only support RHEL). I would have found it better if Red Hat did this before CentOS Linux 8 was released, or at least to have communicated openly that they are considering sunsetting it, but that doesn't change the reality: CentOS Linux, as we knew it and loved it, is dead, and we'll have to migrate to one of several RHEL rebuilds (OEL and Springdale were available for years, and Red Hat will continue to publish sources), or to some other LTS distro. Best wishes, Laurențiu [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law