[CentOS-devel] Before You Get Mad About The CentOS Stream Change, Think About…

Sat Dec 26 17:10:32 UTC 2020
Jean-Marc Liger <jean-marc.liger at parisdescartes.fr>

Le 26/12/2020 à 17:49, Mike McGrath a écrit :

> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 10:11 AM Jean-Marc Liger 
> <jean-marc.liger at parisdescartes.fr 
> <mailto:jean-marc.liger at parisdescartes.fr>> wrote:
>     Le 21/12/2020 à 21:27, Jean-Marc Liger a écrit :
>>     Le 21/12/2020 à 18:31, Mike McGrath a écrit :
>>>     On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 11:13 AM John Crisp
>>>     <jcrisp at safeandsoundit.co.uk
>>>     <mailto:jcrisp at safeandsoundit.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>         That's the 'Extinguish' bit. Comes after 'Embrace' and 'Extend'.
>>>     Uhhh, there is no Extinguish in Open Source. That's the entire
>>>     point.  We embraced, we extended.  If others want to carry on
>>>     the torch they are more than welcome to do so.
>>>               -Mike
>>     Again, a fair way of doing things would have been, Hey guys since
>>     we Red Hat have bought CentOS, making a downstream release of
>>     RHEL is just a nonsense, It costs us time and money we can save.
>>     So let's reverse the process and make RHEL a downstream of
>>     CentOS, it will now be Fedora ELN - > CentOS Stream - > CentOS
>>     Linux - > RHEL.
>>     There would have been no downstream build sponsored by Red Hat,
>>     CentOS Linux would have kill other clones this way, as it already
>>     did for Scientific Linux 8, the CentOS Community would have been
>>     happy to help to get a better RHEL in the Stream process, and Red
>>     Hat folks could have put all the value of their brand and
>>     specificities in their final products, backed with a strong
>>     ecosystem they could have controlled.
>>     I eared you no answer about this proposal, could you tell me why
>>     if it's not all about grabbing more money from the CentOS Community ?
>>                -Jean-Marc
>     I ask for a fourth time this proposal which still remains
>     unanswered, but as we say in French, "who doesn't say word
>     consents",therefore it is obviously a question of recovering money
>     from the CentOS community with the subscriptionsRed Hat coming soon.
>     Jean-Marc
> How many operating systems do you think we need to be building.  In 
> your little text diagram above, its not clear to me what usefulness 
> CentOS Linux is to RHEL.  I understand why you'd want it (free RHEL).  
> Why do you think we should produce it?  What usefulness is it to us?

To fullfil the CentOS initial Goal thought to produce a RHEL clone.

> We don't want to "recover money" from the CentOS community just like 
> our other communities.  But as a business, since you're not providing 
> Red Hat with profit (none of our communities are), what are you 
> providing that would result in continued sponsorship of a downstream 
> rebuild?
>         -Mike

My little text diagram is simple to understand. It is no an downstream 
rebuild, but an upstream pre-build, with more stability than Stream and 
actually the missing piece of motivation to help Stream to become stronger.

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