On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:48 AM Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh at redhat.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 7:11 AM Neal Gompa <ngompa13 at gmail.com> wrote: > ... > > What I'm more concerned about is that if you eliminate Fedora from any > > meaningful server based development, you strip all the opportunities > > for people to iterate on server-oriented changes before they go into > > rhel-rawhide and push into CentOS Stream. You also essentially kneecap > > any motivation for other things related to server environments to > > iterate faster (such as language stacks that are heavily used for web > > service software) because you've eliminated the major ability for that > > to ship to users and contributors. It also further accelerates a trend > > that I think we need to reverse where people consider Fedora > > unacceptable for server roles. If anything, Fedora is a lot better at > > being used for servers then it was five years ago. I've personally > > *stopped* using CentOS for servers because Fedora has gotten so good > > at it. Upgrades are a breeze and stuff generally works. When it > > doesn't, it's fixable! That last part is key. With CentOS, it's not, > > because it has to bounce back into Red Hat first. And Red Hat doesn't > > really care about issues discovered by CentOS users, and there are no > > "CentOS developers". > > > > > > So, what this long email is actually saying is that I think it's an > > interesting idea to bring the two projects together, but eliminating > > aspects of Fedora in favor of CentOS is premature because CentOS has > > not actually developed as a community project. Maybe it's worth > > revisiting after six years of actual community development? > > > I don't think Matthew suggested that we'd stop development of server > technologies in Fedora. I think he was saying that we'd drop the > "Fedora Server Edition" as a user-targeted deliverable. This is an > important distinction. We'd instead focus on server technology > development atop the container and Fedora Cloud Edition use-cases. Today's Cloud Edition is mostly a further stripped down Server Edition variant with different words in the branding. It's our deliverable for clouds like AWS and cloud-like VPSes like DigitalOcean. However, Fedora Server Edition is what people use to run their *own* servers with Fedora, and that also includes things like VMs in more traditional hypervisor setups (oVirt/RHV, VMware, XCP-ng/XenServer, etc.). The key difference between Server and Cloud Edition is the usage of Anaconda to install Fedora. I'm pretty sure we still want to be continually validating *that* works, especially since it's a different codepath in Anaconda from the desktop flavors. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!