On Tue, 13 Apr 2021, Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 4/13/21 10:41 AM, Carl George wrote: > > The current state is described here: > > > > https://wiki.centos.org/FAQ/CentOS8/UnshippedPackages > > > > Stream Devel is empty intentionally because of the workflow that was > > decided upon, which is described in that wiki page. The use of the passive voice to conceal who is acting behind the scenes is common. We see it here. The presence of a -devel package in no way requires that it be installed. This sentence is simply not true nor material "CentOS 8 Linux does the same in the spirit of its goal of being as compatible as possible with RHEL 8" having been drafted, per the wiki edit history by Mr. George It certainly was not the pracice or desire _before_ the Red Hat 'takeover' of CentOS to cripple the build envirenment. The 'extras' archive, for example, supplemented in missing parts which a historically more 'Unix-like' working environment contained. Red Hat product management regularly omits such for various reasons which suit Red Hat product management purposes. There is no sensible reason to follow a slow and unaccountable leader off a cliff. It takes express additional effort to 'block out' matter such as the '-devel' build-result from signing and placement ont the mirrors. If there were some sensible concern to avoid inadvertently 'polluting' an archive, it is no additional net effort rather to set up a 'side' archive to hold the blocked out '-devel' matter > I would point out that sometimes, things change :) .. but even it they > don't for Stream .. there is also a plan at some point to open up > Packages for the koji builder. > > At the CentOS Board meeting tomorrow I am going to bring this issue up > and see what the other board members think about the issue. I'll make > sure the results make the minutes. > > This is an issue that I care about as a CentOS Project Board of > Directors member. Good luck, Johnny -- Russ herrold