On 02/02/2021 05:03, redbaronbrowser via CentOS-devel wrote: > On Monday, February 1, 2021 4:57 PM, Neal Gompa <ngompa13 at gmail.com> wrote: > >> The other stuff is in Fedora under the Fedora CI banner. > > That is fine but the messaging of what, where, when and how of Stream has been extremely poor. I can't find a reference to that on the CentOS blog or FAQ. > > In fact, the Karsten Wade blog post was worded in a way that implied these tests were already being applied to Stream. > >> That will have much more of an impact when CentOS Stream 9 opens >> in three months. > > Hopefully someone can walk me through this part. > > So, we have been told the life cycle of Stream is 5 years. > > Stream 8 was released September 24, 2019 so a period of 5 years should go at least to September 2024. > > We will have both a Stream 8 and a Stream 9 from May 2021 to September 2024? And then Stream 9 will continue to May 2026? > I believe the 5 year starting point is from the release of RHEL 8 (e.g, May 2019), not the release of Stream 8. i.e, Stream runs for the 5 year Full Support period and ends when the underlying (downstream) product enters it's Maintenance Support phase. https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata > Should we expect a third Stream 10 to be added 18 months after May? > >> Most of those tests are in the Fedora Git server now: >> https://src.fedoraproject.org/projects/tests/* >> >> Some extra tests are part of the package git repositories, like in the >> case of sudo: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/sudo/blob/master/f/tests >> >> But these things aren't available for CentOS Stream 8 and I'm not sure >> they ever will be, since they're being rewritten more or less from >> scratch and upstreamed into Fedora now for CentOS Stream 9. > > Well, there have been Red Hat employees that stated in December that "enough information" had been provided for everyone to make their choice. > > I made my choice at that point that I wanted to help prepare Stream 8 for the CentOS 8 termination date. I have no interest in Stream 9, there was nothing stated about it at the time we had "enough information." If Red Hat is unwilling to help greatly improve CI/CD for the remaining 3+ years of Stream 8, that is going to be extremely frustrating. >