On 02.01.2021 12:09, redbaronbrowser via CentOS-devel wrote: > On Friday, January 1, 2021 7:37 PM, Julien Pivotto <roidelapluie at inuits.eu> wrote: > >> On 01 Jan 18:19, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 6:13 PM Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org wrote: >>> >>>> I don't think this is constructive. Active members of this mailing list are >>>> not a good sample of the CentOS community, no matter how you define it, and >>>> I can't see what an "unofficial" vote can possibly do to promote discussion >>>> in a positive way. >>> >>> Agreed. The people who showed up and did the work, or are doing the >>> work, get to make the call of what they work on next. >>> If you want to do something useful, build a labeled snapshot structure >>> for internal or even public CentOS mirror use to provide the stable >>> point releases yourself. >> >> I do agree. Please read the material provided by red hat at try to >> better understand. Make your voice heard at centos-questions at . > > Is centos-questions also a mailman mailing list? Where do I find archives of the questions already asked and answered? Unlikely. When you mail at that address, you get automated response from centos-questions-bounces at redhat.com; since holidays are still in effect, responses from human beings are still being waited for (in my case, since December 20-th). The auto-response sample follows. ==== automated response below Thanks for reaching out regarding CentOS! We understand that this announcement may be prompting you to start thinking about the future. We recognize there are many different use cases and that each case has unique requirements. We’re working hard to ensure we meet the needs of as many users as possible. Working with the CentOS Project Governing Board, we are tailoring programs to meet the needs of various user groups. In the first half of 2021, we will introduce low- or no-cost programs for a variety of use cases, including options for open source projects and communities, partner ecosystems, and an expansion of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux Developer subscription use cases to better serve the needs of systems administrators and partner developers. With a full year before builds of CentOS Linux end, you can rest assured that we will provide multiple programs designed to meet user needs in ample time for adoption before the end of 2021. You will receive additional communications from us shortly with more specific information on programs and options. In the meantime, you can review the blog post and FAQ for more information. Blog Post: http://redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux FAQ: http://redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates ==== automated response above [...] >> Let's just work together to make stream great - working together is what >> open source is about. > > This sounds like a call to the community. That is putting the cart in front of the horse. Can we first get how cutting CentOS 8's life cycle to only 2 years is showing commitment to supporting Stream for 5 years? Or can we get how Stream's obfuscated kernel patches is consistent with Red Hat closing the openness gap? Or can we get any infomration at all from the four governance members that can't even introduce themselves on centos-devel? Something tells me RH will update Stream-related plans within next following months; I won't be surprised if wee see the timeframes redefined several more times. > Open Source is a two way street. It is a licensing model for putting everyone on equal footing. Working together is a result of having that two way street. > > Before 2014 we had a two way street. If the key members of CentOS decided it was time to work on something else, CentOS could be forked into a CentOS-NG or CentOS++ (or both). Red Hat took that two way street away and now has leveraged trademarks to redefine fundmental definitions of what CentOS is. They accomplished this by ignoring the core value of meritocracy by packing the governance board with those without merit and a lack of respect for the community. > > What we have now is a cathederal model. Let's work together to re-establish the bizaar. That is what open source is all about. I don't think RH is interested in a bazaar any more. JMNSHO. -- Sincerely, Konstantin Boyandin system administrator (ProWide Labs Ltd. - IPHost Network Monitor)