On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 7:25 PM Phil Perry <pperry at elrepo.org> wrote: > > On 08/07/2021 21:22, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > > > > On 7/8/21 4:08 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > >>> 1. Change mirrorlist to respond to 8 repo requests with 8-stream repos > >>> at the EOL date. This ensures that CentOS Linux 8 systems continue to > >>> get security updates by way of converting them to CentOS Stream 8. It > >>> also reinforces that CentOS Stream 8 is the latest CentOS 8. > >>> Obviously people who are not fans of the new project direction will > >>> view this negatively and lash out about Red Hat for supposedly forcing > >>> them to use CentOS Stream 8. > >>> > >>> 2. Same as 1, but wait some period of time after the EOL date, such as > >>> 1-3 months. Waiting much longer than that would result in effectively > >>> updating from 8.5 directly to 8.7, which is less appealing. > >>> > >> I would prefer to do this change 1-2 months after December 31, though > >> I'm quite fine with doing it on the EOL date. Having run CentOS Stream > >> 8 for two years now, I feel that it's a solid experience and most > >> people aren't going to have issues with it after upgrading from > >> classic CentOS 8. And frankly, it's nice having people respond to my > >> bug reports and actually*do* something about it. Strictly speaking, > >> that's an upgrade from the experience with classic CentOS 8. > >> > > > > While I agree with you, that it's an upgrade, I anticipate that moving > > people from CentOS Linux 8 to CentOS Stream 8 automatically will result > > in a lot of backlash from people who continue to believe that Stream is > > a alpha/beta/testing/buggy/unstable/[pick your favorite complaint] > > distribution. Y'know, once they noticed that it had happened. > > > > Surprising users seldom goes well, even if it's an overall positive > > surprise. > > > > Sorry for the slow reply - I've been away for a few days. > > Whilst I completely understand the desire to take this approach, I would > respectfully request you don't as it's already creating extra support > load for us with users switching to the Stream kernel and finding out > their el8 kmod packages no longer work. If you switch all C8 users en > mass at EOL, you run the risk of creating a potentially huge support > burden that we are simply not in a position to manage. > > --Phil It's a particular issue for VirtualBox, which relies on kmod.