On 08.07.21 22:08, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 3:40 PM Carl George <carl at redhat.com> wrote: >> >> One idea I've been noodling on is whether or not at some point after >> the EOL we should have mirrorlist.centos.org respond to requests for 8 >> repos with 8-stream repos, which effectively converts any remaining >> CentOS Linux 8 systems to CentOS Stream 8. I see this as a natural >> extension of how CentOS has never supported (to the extent CentOS >> "supports" anything) staying on old previous minor releases of a major >> release. CentOS Stream is still CentOS. 8-stream isn't that >> different from 8. CentOS Stream 8 is the latest CentOS 8. (Note: >> These are facts that I'm not interested in arguing with people about. >> If you feel the need to reply to those particular points, don't expect >> a reply from me.) >> >> I can envision three possible scenarios. >> >> 1. Change mirrorlist to respond to 8 repo requests with 8-stream repos >> at the EOL date. This ensures that CentOS Linux 8 systems continue to >> get security updates by way of converting them to CentOS Stream 8. It >> also reinforces that CentOS Stream 8 is the latest CentOS 8. >> Obviously people who are not fans of the new project direction will >> view this negatively and lash out about Red Hat for supposedly forcing >> them to use CentOS Stream 8. >> >> 2. Same as 1, but wait some period of time after the EOL date, such as >> 1-3 months. Waiting much longer than that would result in effectively >> updating from 8.5 directly to 8.7, which is less appealing. >> > > I would prefer to do this change 1-2 months after December 31, though > I'm quite fine with doing it on the EOL date. Having run CentOS Stream > 8 for two years now, I feel that it's a solid experience and most > people aren't going to have issues with it after upgrading from > classic CentOS 8. And frankly, it's nice having people respond to my > bug reports and actually *do* something about it. Strictly speaking, > that's an upgrade from the experience with classic CentOS 8. > >> 3. Don't change mirrorlist to respond to 8 repo requests with 8-stream >> repos, ever. This approach gives users the maximum amount of choice >> to migrate to either CentOS Stream 8, RHEL 8, or another RHEL 8 >> rebuild, when and only when they are ready. The downside is that many >> systems will be left without security updates for long periods of >> time, until users decide to take action. CentOS Linux 8 hits to EPEL >> are still growing [0], which makes me believe that many people still >> are unaware of the EOL change. >> > > I think this is a terrible idea and does a disservice to the large > "silent majority" of CentOS systems that would otherwise be fine with > the upgrade. > Due the nature of this situation (it never had to be managed), I would prefer not seeing such repo change. It should be a active opt-in of the operator (dnf swap ...). Personally I will switch to stream but as mentioned elsewhere, forcing this change will backfire. -- Leon