I disagree with the suggestion that participation is required to use CentOS Stream. It's certainly recommended, but I have had multiple people tell me personally that they switched from CL8 to CS8 and forgot they did it and didn't notice a difference. They didn't file bugs, they didn't participate in IRC or the mailing list, they just used it and it was fine. CS8 hasn't been a constant thorn for them. I'm not claiming it's been perfect, there have certainly been regressions, but they are fixed faster than they ever were in CL8 (or previous major versions) and I strongly feel that most users will be best served by getting switched to CS8 at or just after the CL8 EOL. On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 6:23 AM Stephen John Smoogen <smooge at gmail.com> wrote: > > On Fri, 9 Jul 2021 at 07:03, Julien Pivotto <roidelapluie at inuits.eu> wrote: > > > > So it is better for CentOS to keep the users rather than letting them go elsewhere. > > > > Not always. It is a disservice to try and keep users who 'value' > things a project no longer offers to them. Many people value CentOS as > a drop-in-replacement for RHEL. They don't have to think about it, and > they don't have to have any sort of 'relationship' with either CentOS > or anyone else. Many of the people I have known in CentOS over the > years have been proud of the fact that it is an 'anti-social' > community. [Several put it is that is the reason why the CentOS logo > has all its arrows going out. (It isn't actually but it was seen by > them as such)] > > CentOS Stream is about building a co-operative relationship between > the consumers and the distribution where what the distribution builds > is evaluated and feedback is given. If a consumer is expecting never > to have problems, to never have to file/track a bugzilla or ever even > check to see what is being delivered.. then CentOS Stream is not the > distribution for them. Because even if it doesn't look like it, there > is a very very large gap between 'never' and 'once in a while' that > might happen with Stream. There is a need for co-operation between the > consumer of stream and the makers to get things right. If you do not > have time, energy, or want to do that, then Stream is going to be a > constant thorn. The consumer in that case would be better off with > another rebuild. > > > > Le 9 juil. 2021 12:27, Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel at gmail.com> a écrit : > > > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 5:45 AM Julien Pivotto <roidelapluie at inuits.eu> wrote: > > > > > > On 09 Jul 02:45, John R. Dennison wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 09, 2021 at 08:09:22AM +0200, Julien Pivotto wrote: > > > > > > > > Could you please configure your MUA to send text/plain or similar to the > > > > CentOS lists? > > > > > > Sorry, the one and only time I sent a mail from my phone :( > > > > > > Providing stream as a continuity of 8 is the best thing to do, to show > > > that we are confident and that the whole "stream fits most of the CentOS > > > use case". It also has the side effect of better protecting the > > > internet. > > > > > > > > Note that it will put a lot of pressure and bring a lot of users on > > > stream. It is a giant opportunity for stream, probably a unique > > > opportunity. > > > > Stream is driving users and companies away from CentOS. Many are > > reviewing their previous usage and support. Many are questioning the > > wisdom of a migration to RHEL and reviewing other options, such as non > > RHEL based operating systems or a different supported operating > > system. Amazon Linux 2, for example, has picked up a lot of clients by > > porting more contemporary versions of system components like Python > > 3.7 to their RHEL 7 based operating system. > > > > The backfire already happened. Having a solid end-date for the point > > releases puts a timetable on migration decisions, which is useful. > > _______________________________________________ > > CentOS-devel mailing list > > CentOS-devel at centos.org > > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CentOS-devel mailing list > > CentOS-devel at centos.org > > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel > > > > -- > Stephen J Smoogen. > I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Flame wars in > sci.astro.orion. I have seen SPAM filters overload because of Godwin's > Law. All those moments will be lost in time... like posts on BBS... > time to reboot. > _______________________________________________ > CentOS-devel mailing list > CentOS-devel at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel -- Carl George