On Fri, 2021-07-09 at 23:14 +0300, Manuel Wolfshant wrote: > On 7/9/21 7:32 PM, Patrick Riehecky wrote: > > I'm really torn on these ideas. > > > > I guess I'm trying to sort out who we'd be helping most and who > > we'd be > > harming least with each of these ideas. > > > > Is there a CentOS user community of folks who apply nightly updates > > but > > don't respond to errors during that process? > > yes, there is. I know of installations ( not mine :) ) which have a > "yum -y update " run from cron.daily I guess it is a workflow issue, but most of my hosts apply updates nightly and when they fail to apply I (or another team member) look into why. To my mind this is compounded by AppStream/Modularity where some of your streams may make some of your updates fail in new/interesting ways. I guess I'm wondering how far off the Best Practices we want to support in Jan 2022... "Set it and forget it" nodes that aren't "managed" by anyone are always a problem. But are those folks likely to blame us for issues vs folks with managed systems who are "reading" the error reports from dnf- automatic (etc) and aren't aware of Stream8? I guess I'm not sure upgrading folks to Stream8 is in the 'predictable' end of life workflow. Pat