[CentOS-devel] Can CentOS Stream 8 Devel repo be populated

Mon May 17 20:09:12 UTC 2021
Phil Perry <pperry at elrepo.org>

On 17/05/2021 20:58, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 3:57 PM Mike McGrath <mmcgrath at redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 2:48 PM Phil Perry <pperry at elrepo.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 17/05/2021 20:46, Phil Perry wrote:
>>>> On 17/05/2021 20:30, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>>>>> On 5/17/21 1:46 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>> Snipping content as we seem to have reached some mailing list limit
>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is mostly because we also don't ship it in RHEL and we don't ship
>>>>>> it there because we don't want to be on the hook to support it (even
>>>>>> RHEL has a budget and limited resources).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as CentOS Stream, the promise is that if it runs in CentOS Stream
>>>>>> today it should run in the next version of RHEL.  By including content
>>>>>> in Stream that we don't include in RHEL, suddenly that promise is broken
>>>>>> if someone accidentally uses it assuming it's in RHEL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not saying there aren't ways to work through these issues, but I
>>>>>> wanted to give some ideas as to the thought process that got us here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>              -Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>
>>>>> That is all well and good .. but it is your guys (EPEL and Red Hat SIGs)
>>>>> that need this Development content to be in CentOS Stream and the CentOS
>>>>> Community Build System to build things.  (I can build things as this
>>>>> content is already in my Koji buildroot).
>>>>>
>>>>> And it is me, this list, and the CentOS Stream group that keep getting
>>>>> asked (by EPEL and the RH SIGs) why this open source stuff can not be in
>>>>> CentOS Linux, CentOS Stream and the CBS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Surely we can set up a non RHEL released repo that your guys can use to
>>>>> build the things that they want.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Johnny Hughes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But from what Mike just said, EPEL/SIGs should be building against those
>>>> missing -devel packages on Stream because anything built on Stream must
>>>> also run on RHEL?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, typo - EPEL/SIGs should NOT be building against those missing
>>> -devel packages...
>>>
>>
>> I'm always confused by this because the basis of CRB *was* supposed to be what was required to build EPEL.  I'm not sure if EPEL has grown since we started or if we just missed the mark with CRB.
>>
> 
> Unfortunately, I think it's pretty much the latter. :(
> 
> 

Perhaps this is a policy decision that can be reverted in RHEL 9 as it 
clearly isn't working very well :-)