On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 2:48 PM Phil Perry <pperry at elrepo.org> wrote: > On 17/05/2021 20:46, Phil Perry wrote: > > On 17/05/2021 20:30, Johnny Hughes wrote: > >> On 5/17/21 1:46 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 1:34 PM Phil Perry <pperry at elrepo.org > >>> <mailto:pperry at elrepo.org>> wrote: > >>> > >>> On 17/05/2021 18:49, Troy Dawson wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:41 AM Phil Perry <pperry at elrepo.org > >>> <mailto:pperry at elrepo.org> > >>> > <mailto:pperry at elrepo.org <mailto:pperry at elrepo.org>>> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > On 17/05/2021 14:32, Troy Dawson wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 6:22 AM Fabian Arrotin > >>> <arrfab at centos.org <mailto:arrfab at centos.org> > >>> > <mailto:arrfab at centos.org <mailto:arrfab at centos.org>> > >>> > > <mailto:arrfab at centos.org <mailto:arrfab at centos.org> > >>> <mailto:arrfab at centos.org <mailto:arrfab at centos.org>>>> wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > On 17/05/2021 15:10, Troy Dawson wrote: > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 6:47 AM Leon Fauster via > >>> CentOS-devel > >>> > > > <centos-devel at centos.org > >>> <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org> <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org > >>> <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org>> > >>> > <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org > >>> <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org> <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org > >>> <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org>>> > >>> > > <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org > >>> <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org> > >>> > <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org > >>> <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org>> <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org > >>> <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org> > >>> > <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org > >>> <mailto:centos-devel at centos.org>>>>> > >>> > > wrote: > >>> > > > > >>> > > > On 15.05.21 06:51, Troy Dawson wrote: > >>> > > > > Back when the CentOS 8 Devel repo[1] was > >>> originally > >>> > > introduced, the > >>> > > > > CentOS Stream 8 Devel repo[2] was kept > empty. > >>> > > > > Now that CentOS 8 is going away, and we are > >>> expected to > >>> > > develop on > >>> > > > > CentOS Stream 8, could we please get CentOS > >>> Stream 8 > >>> > Devel > >>> > > populated > >>> > > > > with the same packages it once had. > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > I know there is an initiative for all the > >>> missing -devel > >>> > > packages to > >>> > > > > appear somewhere at sometime. But here is > my > >>> problem. > >>> > > > > I'm trying to get KDE rebuilt for CentOS > >>> Stream 8 > >>> > due to the > >>> > > > updated qt5 > >>> > > > > that is now in Stream. > >>> > > > > plasma-nm, a fairly important piece of KDE, > >>> requires > >>> > > > > mobile-broadband-provider-info-devel which > is > >>> in the > >>> > Devel > >>> > > repo. > >>> > > > > From what I see, the fastest way to get > >>> > > > > mobile-broadband-provider-info-devel > >>> somewhere > >>> that > >>> > I can > >>> > > consume > >>> > > > it on > >>> > > > > Stream is via the Devel repo. > >>> > > > > Thus my question. > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > Can we get CentOS Stream 8 Devel populated > >>> with > >>> > whatever is > >>> > > in the > >>> > > > > regular Devel repo. > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > Thanks > >>> > > > > Troy Dawson > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > [1] - > >>> > > > >>> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > >>> > < > http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>> > >>> > > > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > >>> > < > http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>> > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > >>> > < > http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>> > >>> > > > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > >>> > < > http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > >>> > < > http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>> > >>> > > > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > >>> > < > http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>> > >>> > > > > >>> > > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > >>> > < > http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>> > >>> > > > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > >>> > < > http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>>>> > >>> > > > > [2] - > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > >>> > > >>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>> > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > >>> < > http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>> > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > >>> < > http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > >>> < > http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > >>> < > http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > >>> < > http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>>> > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > >>> < > http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/> > >>> < > http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>> > >>> <http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/Devel/x86_64/os/Packages/ > >>>>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > JFI: > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Downloads from koji instance allowed now. > >>> > > > https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/ > >>> <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/> > >>> > <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/ > >>> <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/>> > >>> > > <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/ > >>> <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/> > >>> > <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/ > >>> <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/>>> > >>> > > > <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/ > >>> <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/> > >>> > <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/ > >>> <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/>> > >>> > > <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/ > >>> <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/> > >>> > <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/ > >>> <https://koji.mbox.centos.org/pkgs/packages/>>>> > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > True, but that doesn't get them into the EPEL or > >>> COPR build > >>> > > environment. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Troy > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Hi Troy, > >>> > > > >>> > > As you're now part of the CentOS Stream team, when > >>> can we > >>> > expect to see > >>> > > that Devel repo being populated ? that would help > >>> for now > >>> > SIGs building > >>> > > in cbs.centos.org <http://cbs.centos.org> > >>> <http://cbs.centos.org <http://cbs.centos.org>> > >>> > <http://cbs.centos.org <http://cbs.centos.org> > >>> <http://cbs.centos.org <http://cbs.centos.org>>> (and we have > >>> also again > >>> > > other requests for built but > >>> > > unreleased pkgs in Devel repo, so having a status > >>> update on > >>> > that one > >>> > > would be good too) > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Well played good sir. > >>> > > Unfortunately I only deal with the CentOS Stream 9 stuff, > >>> but I will > >>> > > bring it up in the team meeting. > >>> > > > >>> > > I wrote this email on the centos-devel mailing list, as > >>> an EPEL > >>> > package > >>> > > maintainer, that has a problem. Because my EPEL work is > >>> done in my > >>> > > spare time, and it's a legitimate EPEL packager problem. > >>> And I'd > >>> > like > >>> > > the solution to be public, and not behind closed doors. > >>> > > > >>> > > Troy > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > I'm not sure I understand why this is even an issue anymore. > >>> Now CentOS > >>> > Stream is upstream of RHEL, surely there are no > >>> constraints to > >>> only > >>> > ship > >>> > what RHEL (downstream) ships? Why wouldn't CentOS Stream > >>> simply ship > >>> > everything and if RHEL decides upon a policy to only > >>> ship/support a > >>> > certain subset of (-devel) packages, that is a RH/RHEL > >>> decision that > >>> > can > >>> > be implemented downstream by removing the bits they don't > >>> want to > >>> > ship/support and should have zero impact upstream? RH/RHEL > >>> are > >>> free to > >>> > do whatever they want downstream. > >>> > > >>> > Or have I completely misunderstood the relationship here? > >>> > > >>> > >>> Hi Troy, > >>> > >>> > > >>> > Actually, you understood it correctly. > >>> > > >>> > It seems an email got misplaced. When it was announced that > >>> CentOS > >>> > Stream 9 koji build system, including the buildroot, was now > >>> publically > >>> > available, there was also supposed to be a similar announcement > >>> > concerning CentOS Stream 8. For some reason, that announcement > >>> failed > >>> > to get sent. > >>> > > >>> > So, you are correct, there currently is a way for the EPEL > >>> community (or > >>> > COPR, or whoever wants) to get access to the CentOS Stream 8 > >>> build > >>> > system and complete buildroot. I simply was not aware of it. > >>> > > >>> > >>> Except, as you stated earlier in the thread, they are not in the > >>> CentOS > >>> Stream repos, so it is still not possible to easily pull them into > >>> build > >>> environments. > >>> > >>> I believe your question is valid. Why are these packages being > >>> excluded > >>> from CenOS Stream in the first place? I understand why they are > >>> excluded > >>> from CentOS Linux 8, as that is a like for like rebuild of RHEL > >>> 8, and > >>> what is not in RHEL will not be in CentOS Linux. But CentOS > >>> Stream is > >>> upstream of RHEL, not downstream, so I do not understand why ANY > >>> built > >>> devel packages are excluded from the CentOS Stream repos. Why > >>> would you > >>> not ship everything you build??? RHEL policy decisions should not > >>> affect > >>> what happens upstream. > >>> > >>> > >>> This is mostly because we also don't ship it in RHEL and we don't ship > >>> it there because we don't want to be on the hook to support it (even > >>> RHEL has a budget and limited resources). > >>> > >>> As far as CentOS Stream, the promise is that if it runs in CentOS > Stream > >>> today it should run in the next version of RHEL. By including content > >>> in Stream that we don't include in RHEL, suddenly that promise is > broken > >>> if someone accidentally uses it assuming it's in RHEL. > >>> > >>> I'm not saying there aren't ways to work through these issues, but I > >>> wanted to give some ideas as to the thought process that got us here. > >>> > >>> -Mike > >>> > >> > >> Mike, > >> > >> That is all well and good .. but it is your guys (EPEL and Red Hat SIGs) > >> that need this Development content to be in CentOS Stream and the CentOS > >> Community Build System to build things. (I can build things as this > >> content is already in my Koji buildroot). > >> > >> And it is me, this list, and the CentOS Stream group that keep getting > >> asked (by EPEL and the RH SIGs) why this open source stuff can not be in > >> CentOS Linux, CentOS Stream and the CBS. > >> > >> Surely we can set up a non RHEL released repo that your guys can use to > >> build the things that they want. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Johnny Hughes > > > > > > But from what Mike just said, EPEL/SIGs should be building against those > > missing -devel packages on Stream because anything built on Stream must > > also run on RHEL? > > > > Sorry, typo - EPEL/SIGs should NOT be building against those missing > -devel packages... > > I'm always confused by this because the basis of CRB *was* supposed to be what was required to build EPEL. I'm not sure if EPEL has grown since we started or if we just missed the mark with CRB. -Mike > _______________________________________________ > CentOS-devel mailing list > CentOS-devel at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/attachments/20210517/9a3abfc1/attachment-0003.html>