On 11/18/21 08:20, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 9:12 AM Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 7:45 AM Josh Boyer <jwboyer at redhat.com> wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 7:15 AM Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 4:46 PM Brian Stinson <brian at bstinson.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021, at 14:47, Odilon Junior wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> As the $SUBJECT says, after the latest release of Centos 8, the Devel[1] repo is not populated. >>>>> >>>>> I can see the packages for 8.4.2105[2]. Is this expected for this latest release? >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Odilon >>>>> >>>>> 1 - http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/ >>>>> 2 - https://vault.centos.org/8.4.2105/Devel/ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> CentOS-devel mailing list >>>>> CentOS-devel at centos.org >>>>> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That is expected. Just a reminder CentOS Linux 8 goes End Of Life in December: https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/ please plan accordingly. >>>> >>>> I don't think anyone expected this. There was no reason to expect the >>>> individual channel to be shut off several months in advance of the EOL >>>> of the operating system. It's like moving the family to a new house >>>> only after the move announce that the dog is not coming with us. >>>> >>>> This breaks working tools, like my tools that backport samba with full >>>> and stable Heimdal based Kerberos According to the Samba maintainers, >>>> the MIT kerberos used by the latest Fedora releases is not yet well >>>> enough integrated for production work, which is why I publish >>>> https://github.com/nkadel/samba4repo/ for Fedor and for RHEL releases. >>>> But they rely on 'quota-devel' for compilation, which is used by RHEL >>>> and CentOS for compiling their more limited versions of Samba but is >>>> arbitrarily hidden under tablecloth over in the 'Devel' channel. >>> >>> quota-devel is available in PowerTools >>> >>> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/PowerTools/x86_64/os/Packages/quota-devel-4.04-14.el8.x86_64.rpm >>> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/PowerTools/x86_64/os/Packages/quota-devel-4.04-14.el8.x86_64.rpm >> >> It was previously over in 'Devel', until May as hinted by the RPM >> timestamps. Try: >> >> mock -r epel-8-x86_64 install quota-devel >> >> That works now if the 'Devel' repo is left disabled, but if the >> 'Devel' repo is enabled, which it was in my "mock" setups due to just >> this package, it now breaks. That's no longer a direct hindrance, but >> it left my setups broken yesterday. > > I would encourage everyone to ignore the Devel repo. This is an > unpopular opinion, but it shouldn't have been created to begin with. > >> I'm afraid it reinforces my point about arbitrary and software >> breaking re-arrangements of RPMs. It's part of why some companies and >> some developers are simply refusing to touch RHEL 8 and CentOS 8. > > I can understand your frustration, but in this case someone followed > the process to request the package be added in a user facing > repository. It wasn't arbitrary, but information about the request > and inclusion could be better. > >>>>> If you need a package that was previously in the Devel repo to support your migration you may download from vault.centos.org or from the buildsystem: https://koji.mbox.centos.org >>>>> >>>>> --Brian >>>> >>>> This kind of arbitrary, unannounced and unwelcome change is part of >>>> why people are losing trust in Red Hat and in CentOS as a reliable >>>> rebuild of RHEL It's mirrored by the very peculiar and illogical split >>>> up of "ansible" to "ansible-core" and "ansible", which I've written >>>> about elsewhere. This kind of refactoring is unwelcome and breaks >>>> things, I'd have expected better from RHEL a few years ago. Now.... >>>> I've lost considerable confidence in Red Hat and in CentOS >>> >>> ansible is a separate product from RHEL and is not part of RHEL >>> itself. The refactoring is something the Ansible product is pursuing >>> and we have to adapt to their plans. As a result, we will be >>> including ansible-core in RHEL to enable rhel-system-roles, but the >>> bulk of what people consider 'ansible' to be will still need to be >>> acquired from outside of RHEL. >> >> That makes sense on the part of RHEL maintainers. In fact, I've >> published backports from Fedora rawhide which EPEL or RHEL are welcome >> to, over at https://github.com/nkadel/ansiblerepo/. I've even >> published a new ansible-4.8.0 RPM building tool there as well, >> although I intensely dislike that oversized agglomeration of 135 >> distinct modules. >> >> But since Ansible is now owned by Red Hat, it would seem disingenuous >> to merley say "it's not part of RHEL". I pointed to it as an example >> of what is happening at Red Hat recently, breaking working tools with >> unexpected and unwelcome RPM re-arrangements. People like me can work >> around them fairly easily, but it sows distrust of Red Hat software >> suites. > > I was only pointing it out because your original comment seemed to > imply that ansible should be included in the scope of a rebuild of > RHEL. It's not. > > Given the short time left, I'll take the opportunity to remind > everyone that CentOS is no longer going to be centered around a > rebuild of RHEL for RHEL 8+. CentOS Linux 8 will be EOL on December > 31, 2021. > > And guys .. this is key to understand. CentOS Linux 8.5.2111 will, just like the older 8.4.2105, be moved to vault in a few short weeks (End of Jan 2022). CentOS Linux is EOL on 12/31/2021 as explained here: https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/ You absolutely should not be using Centos Linux 8 for anything important at this time. If you are using CentOS Linux 8, you need to be figuring out how to move to something that will get updates past 12/31/2021. If the items you need to build things are not in CentOS Stream 8, then, as Brain said, you can get anything we have built from: https://koji.mbox.centos.org/koji/ CentOS Linux 7 will continue to be maintained as is until its normal EOL on 30 June 2024. None of this is new and has been public for more than a year. It is happening on 12/31/2021. Thanks, Johnny Hughes