It sounds like that license would at least be a good place to start and we should also work out the copyright issue sooner vs later just so it's clear and enforceable if needed. I also like this last idea of Shaun's of ready made badges with the logo for certain use cases. Amy *Amy Marrich* She/Her/Hers Principal Technical Marketing Manager - Cloud Platforms Red Hat, Inc <https://www.redhat.com/> amy at redhat.com Mobile: 954-818-0514 Slack: amarrich IRC: spotz <https://www.redhat.com/> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 12:00 PM Shaun McCance <shaunm at redhat.com> wrote: > On Sat, 2022-08-27 at 13:54 -0300, Alain Reguera Delgado wrote: > > Dear community, > > > > I would like to bring up this topic once again because it is relevant > > for the well-being of CentOS visual identity, and its future > > improvements on the long-term. This mail is probably for Red Hat > > Liaison, considering the legalities involved in relation to CentOS > > branding matters. Nevertheless, I would like to keep the discussion > > open to collect the vast majority of opinions possible about it. > > > > Considering the CentOS brand is presently a registered trademark of > > Red > > Hat, the exact questions are: > > > > 1. Related to CentOS brand changes, and design improvements: What > > does > > Red Hat allow the CentOS community to do, and not to do? Here, > > please, > > consider the legal and not-legal matters. > > I'm not the liaison and so I'm not really speaking on behalf of Red Hat > here. From my experience in OSPO, we'd rather not involve Red Hat in > deciding everything. There are some places where we'd want to consult > with Brand or Legal (trademarkability, liability), but for the most > part, Red Hat doesn't need to be involved. Just don't do anything > awful. > > > 2. Would it be possible for Red Hat to explicitly set the license > > under > > which the CentOS brand (creative/design) work is released, so to > > grantee its openness inside the CentOS community? If not, please, > > elaborate why, and share the expected process to follow in order to > > keep the brand design relevant through time. > > So, I'm going to approach this from my experience on the GNOME board. > The GNOME logo is licensed under a CC-BY-SA license, which allows > people to modify and reuse it. But it's also trademarked, which means > you can't use it in a way that would imply GNOME is doing something it > isn't. This is deliberate, and was informed by Karen Sandler (actual > lawyer, previously executive direction of GNOME Foundation, now at > Software Freedom Conservancy). So, for example, there was one of those > "fish exfoliate your feet" places that used a modification of the GNOME > logo. This is allowed under the copyright license, and it's not a > violation of trademark because it's a different industry. But if you > used the GNOME logo to make, for example, a Linux distribution, then > there would be a clear trademark problem. > > Again, not speaking for Red Hat here, but this is what I'd advise > CentOS (and most other open source projects) to do. Use an open license > like a CC license, but use trademark law to protect our identity and > reputation. > > Also, I am definitely not a lawyer, but Alain I think you legally hold > the copyright on the new logo, unless you did a copyright assignment. > > > I deliberately have collected some thoughts[1] about the recent > > CentOS > > brand actualization process but am not sure if they are aligned with > > Red Hat needs and expectations. The goal here would be to make a very > > clean and simple statement about how much autonomy does the CentOS > > community have over its own brand. Also, complement the CentOS > > Trademark Guidelines[2] document with such information, since there > > isn't mention of it at the moment. > > > > [1] https://gitlab.com/areguera/centos-brand > > [2] https://www.centos.org/legal/trademarks/ > > I've been wanting to revamp our trademark use guidelines to be more > permissive in certain cases (for example, hosting providers showing > that they support CentOS). It would be nice to come up with wording for > these kinds of cases, and to have some ready-made badge with the logo > they can use. > > Thanks, > Shaun > > > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS-devel mailing list > CentOS-devel at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/attachments/20220901/a3cea072/attachment-0002.html>