On 23/06/2023 16:34, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 9:44 AM Simon Matter <simon.matter at invoca.ch> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 7:47 AM Peter Georg >>> <peter.georg at physik.uni-regensburg.de> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 22/06/2023 12.56, Josh Boyer wrote: >>>>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 6:51 AM Leon Fauster via CentOS-devel >>>>> <centos-devel at centos.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>> >>>>>> I wonder if someone is in the role/position to shed some more light >>>> on >>>>>> the topic as announced here >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/furthering-evolution-centos-stream >>>>>> >>>>>> Any deadlines? Does this target only EL10 or also any current >>>> release? >>>>> >>>>> It is in effect now for RHEL 8 and 9 and will continue for any future >>>>> RHEL releases. The development and source code for all of these >>>>> releases will continue to happen through the CentOS Stream project. >>>>> >>>>> RHEL 7 and CentOS Linux 7 are not affected. >>>>> >>>>>> Would be great if some discussion/communication could be happen. >>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> If you have more questions, please ask and we can try to address them. >>>> >>>> I do indeed have a question. The Kmods SIG currently provides artifacts >>>> for both CentOS Stream and RHEL. To achieve that we have established >>>> some automation using GitLab CI to avoid human interaction as far as >>>> possible. For that to work we do need access to the following sources >>>> from RHEL (version numbers are just examples): >>>> >>>> kernel-5.14.0-284.18.1.el9_2.src.rpm >>>> >>>> or >>>> >>>> linux-5.14.0-284.18.1.el9_2.tar.xz (which is included in the src.rpm). >>>> >>>> So far we have downloaded the tarball from git.centos.org/sources >>>> >>>> However, my understanding is that new versions of these files will not >>>> be provided anymore. In fact the example listed here (current RHEL 9 >>>> kernel) is already not provided anymore. >>> >>> Your understanding is correct. >>> >> >> What I don't understand is this: as a Red Hat customer with paid >> subscription, I'm still able to download >> kernel-5.14.0-284.18.1.el9_2.src.rpm, right? > > Yes. > >> If I do so and extract the kernel-5.14.0-284.18.1.el9_2.src.rpm archive, >> can I put the resulting files on a public server and let others download >> the files? > > The kernel is licensed under the GPL, which grants redistribution > rights to all such licensed source code. > > josh > Then maybe the CentOS Project should start a SiG to pull the RHEL sources and populate a repository for everyone to freely access, thus filling the void left by RH's decision to withdraw this? Or maybe ALMA or Rocky will do it as they will also no doubt be doing something similar in house anyway. Either way, it sounds like a lot of people need access to these sources in such a way that can be easily integrated into CI/build systems and RH is no longer providing this facility. Perhaps it would be useful to know the intention behind Red Hat's decision? If this is an unintended consequence of the decision, maybe RH can do something to fix it and provide the sources elsewhere for easily scriptable public consumption. However, if the intention is to deliberately make things harder for the (rebuild) community, then the community will likely need to put in place mitigations themselves. Phil