i'm reading the FAQ: http://wiki.centos.org/FAQ/General and i'm familiar with the deliberate avoidance of using the name "red hat", but it seems a bit weird given that point 1 clearly avoids it while point 2 boldly uses the name right in the question. so what's the point of being so coy, but not all the time? rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Top-notch, inexpensive online Linux/OSS/kernel courses http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday ========================================================================