I think it's a sad sign when the mailing list is more about how to manage access to the wiki than actually managing contributions and the content. I don't really have any confidence that centos wants a vibrant community. The recent change list at http://wiki.centos.org/RecentChanges isn't really a good sign. Sorry, but I felt if I simply unsubscribed and disappeared quietly, I'd not be doing anyone else any favours. best wishes Paul