[CentOS-docs] wiki.centos.org .. what's next ?

Tue Dec 12 17:43:19 UTC 2017
Johnny Hughes <mailing-lists at hughesjr.com>

On 12/12/2017 10:29 AM, Fabian Arrotin wrote:
> On 12/12/17 17:25, Akemi Yagi wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 1:00 AM, Fabian Arrotin <arrfab at centos.org
>> <mailto:arrfab at centos.org>> wrote:
>>     it's all in the title : what's next for wiki.centos.org
>>     <http://wiki.centos.org> ?
>>     As a reminder, current wiki.centos.org <http://wiki.centos.org>
>>     instance is powered by moinmoin
>>     (https://moinmo.in/) but quite an old version (moin-1.5.8-3.el6.noarch)
>>     Recently I had a quick look at trying to update/upgrade that version to
>>     something newer/supported, but it's a nightmare : the data conversion
>>     just kill the target server (oom) and no way to know why. When trying to
>>     get help from moin people in their irc server, I was answered that such
>>     old version wasn't supported, and that those upgrade scripts themselves
>>     aren't supported either, so nobody would help finding why they'd be
>>     buggy without having access to the full data.
>>     Of course exposing the whole wiki instance (including user/pass) isn't
>>     an option, so except if somebody has really a clue about what can go
>>     wrong with the update script from 1.5 to 1.6 (and then it has to be done
>>     for each major.minor upgrade, so all that in a chained operation), the
>>     migration will be impossible.
>>     That's why I'd like to discuss a possibility to move wiki to something
>>     else, and that's even why we should discuss the need for a wiki itself.
>>     If we want to continue to have community written/maintained content,
>>     should be still use a wiki or something else ? Moin was selected ~10y
>>     ago for its simplicity and online editing, but in 2017, most people (dev
>>     and ops) are probably using other workflows, like git/pull-requests/etc.
>>     So what about exploring other possibilities ?
>>     I don't have a real proposal (even if mkdocs.org <http://mkdocs.org>
>>     , simple solution with
>>     Markdown, combined with git would be perfect for me) but just wanted to
>>     start a dedicated thread so that we can think about the future of
>>     wiki.centos.org <http://wiki.centos.org>
>>     Opinions ? Proposals ? anything else ? Fee free to comment :-)
>> ​I personally would like to see an update to the current wiki​. However
>> if this is not plausible, maybe an alternative like mediawiki can be
>> considered?
>> One note I want to make is that use of git may not be suitable/best for
>> docs and certainly will be frowned upon by some notable contributors to
>> the current wiki.
>> Akemi
> *ack*
> So maybe we should try to reach out the moinmoin people to see if they'd
> like to see us continuing using moin or switch to something else.
> Mediawiki can be investigated, as that's also Fedora switched to in the
> past.
> So we already know that :
> - openid auth works (against FAS, so that will work with ACO)
> - they probably had some migration scripts somewhere that we can test if
> needed)

I don't really have any preferences .. other than, not github, unless it
is the ONLY thing that would work.  I have an issue using non open
source solution unless it is a last resort,

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