From digdilem at gmail.com  Fri Nov  8 19:41:26 2019
From: digdilem at gmail.com (Simon Avery)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 19:41:26 +0000
Subject: [CentOS-docs] Suggestion for wiki page edit; "OtherSpins"
Message-ID: <CAMxs7ePs4hCtCSNa_+JmK8OJdrr8aZ7zXg-MqvUjPb94-dcdHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Discussion point and request for edits (either through an existing approved
editor, or via myself if I am granted access) Hopefully a constructive
suggestion to improve documentation, and elsewhere in the Wiki it advises
me to raise such things through this mailing list.

I recently noticed in Freenode/#centos somebody seeking help and being
redirected to http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/OtherSpins as soon
as they mentioned their issue was on a VPS. Curious, I read the page and
have some suggestions about the wording.

Through this wiki page, the phrase "Genuine CentOS" is used to indicate a
version of CentOS that has been modified by the VPS host.

I think this wording is misleading and would like to suggest is is changed
through this document.

Reasoning: In the computing world, Microsoft and others widely use the
phrase "Genuine" to indicate whether Windows, Office or other products are
licenced legally. The inferrance from this is that these VPS providers are
somehow providing an illegal copy of CentOS. This is obviously not the
case. In fact, this is explained in the text:
"I was sent to this page because I was told that my version of CentOS isn't
genuine CentOS. Will you please explain this?
We have noticed that a lot of people are offering something that they call
CentOS. But this something is in reality only based on CentOS and it has
been modified by the people making it available."

Suggestion 1: Change "Genuine" to "Modified" (contexed accordingly)

Suggestion 2: Rework the tone of this wiki article to be less disdainful.
My personal view is that phrases like "We are not mind readers", "we cannot
provide you with support" are not friendly and would put some people off
from asking for help again. (A similar view to overly widespread use of irc
bot triggers)

Suggestion 3: Make it clearer that some VPS hosts may provide unmodified
CentOS. Whilst the phrase "This is usually the case" comes through, no
evidence to support this assertion is given, so it is heresay. The document
does contain a very clear guide to establishing whether your install is
modified or not, so why not refer to it internally?

In summary: I see the need for this page and think it serves a useful
purpose. However, the frustration of the author comes through too nakedly.
It is too easy to read this page and consider yourself "told off".

Context, from freenode #centos
[17:25:38] <UnLokitoFeliz> Good afternoon I have the doubt how I can clear
cache from the vps, CentOS version is 7
[17:25:55] <Sokel> Cache for?
[17:26:19] <Zathrus> @vps
[17:26:19] <centbot> You are not running CentOS. Please read
http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/OtherSpins and please ask your
provider for further assistance.

Regards

S
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From: git at centos.org (git at centos.org)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:45:46 +0000
Subject: [CentOS-docs] [centos/centos.org] branch master updated: Update
 meeting schedule as per https://github.com/CentOS/Calendar/pull/29
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commit 63acd8a84cfba79a1fd665b12d250f27e8f86a8e
Author: rbowen <rbowen at rcbowen.com>
AuthorDate: Mon Nov 11 14:44:13 2019 -0500

    Update meeting schedule as per https://github.com/CentOS/Calendar/pull/29
---
 content/community/calendar.md | 8 +++-----
 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)

diff --git a/content/community/calendar.md b/content/community/calendar.md
index f68a62f..4d22166 100644
--- a/content/community/calendar.md
+++ b/content/community/calendar.md
@@ -120,8 +120,8 @@ at +44 207 009 4455.
 
 ### <a name="Storage_SIG">Storage SIG</a>
 
-* Every two weeks (on odd weeks) on Friday at [1530 UTC](http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=15&amp;min=30&amp;sec=0) in #centos-devel
-* Chair (to contact for more information): Karanbir Singh (kbsingh) and Lalatendu Mohanty (lalatenduM)
+* Monthly on Tuesday at [1000 UTC](http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=10&amp;min=00&amp;sec=0) in #centos-devel
+* Chair (to contact for more information): Karanbir Singh (kbsingh), Niels de Vos (ndevos), Giulio Fidente (gfidente)
 * [Link to Project Site](http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Storage)
 * The CentOS Storage Special Interest Group (SIG) is a collection of like-minded individuals coming together to ensure that CentOS is a suitable platform for many different storage solutions. This group will ensure that all Open Source storage options seeking to utilize CentOS as a delivery platform have a voice in packaging, orchestration, deployment, and related work. 
 
@@ -133,6 +133,4 @@ at +44 207 009 4455.
 * [Link to Project Site](https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Virtualization)
 * The CentOS Virtualisation Special Interest Group ( virt-sig ) is a group of people coming together to promote and use CentOS Linux as a base platform as a suitable platform for various virtualisation efforts. This includes type-1 and type-2 hypervisors like Xen and KVM, containers and containment based technologies like LXC and other system and process level virtualisation technologies in the future.
 
-
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+Page generated on 2019-11-11 10:28:39.480274 UTC

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From git at centos.org  Tue Nov 12 18:08:03 2019
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 18:08:03 +0000
Subject: [CentOS-docs] [centos/centos.org] 01/02: Update calendar from yaml
In-Reply-To: <20191112180802.1435.65441@ip-8-43-84-211.rdu2c.centos.org>
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commit 0bbb0525b87b6c9d9635db498b73065abe693ae4
Author: rbowen <rbowen at rcbowen.com>
AuthorDate: Tue Nov 12 13:03:32 2019 -0500

    Update calendar from yaml
---
 content/community/calendar.md       |  18 ++--
 content/community/irc-meetings.ical | 162 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 2 files changed, 168 insertions(+), 12 deletions(-)

diff --git a/content/community/calendar.md b/content/community/calendar.md
index 4d22166..d67a197 100644
--- a/content/community/calendar.md
+++ b/content/community/calendar.md
@@ -4,7 +4,7 @@
 
 The IRC meetings schedule is driven by the [github.com/CentOS/Calendar](https://github.com/CentOS/Calendar) repository.  To propose a change or add a meeting, please submit a pull-request to that git-hub repository.  This repository is mirrored to git.centos.org.
 
-Here is the link to a `.ics` file containing all CentOS IRC meetings, for use in your favorite calendaring app: [iCalendar Meeting Schedule](/community/irc-meetings.ics)
+Here is the link to a `.ical` file containing all CentOS IRC meetings, for use in your favorite calendaring app: [iCalendar Meeting Schedule](https://git.centos.org/raw/sig-core!calendar.git/master/output!irc-meetings.ical)
 
 A [list of all meetings](#list) is available below.
 
@@ -22,7 +22,6 @@ Here is a list of current meetings with their descriptions:
 * [Config Management SIG](#Config_Management_SIG)
 * [Karanbir Singh Office Hours - Thursdays](#Karanbir_Singh_Office_Hours_-_Thursdays)
 * [Karanbir Singh Office Hours - Wednesdays](#Karanbir_Singh_Office_Hours_-_Wednesdays)
-* [NFV SIG](#NFV_SIG)
 * [OpsTools SIG](#OpsTools_SIG)
 * [PaaS SIG](#PaaS_SIG)
 * [Software Collections SIG Sync-up](#Software_Collections_SIG_Sync-up)
@@ -86,13 +85,6 @@ is related to these.  During this time, you can find me on #centos-devel @
 <a href="http://irc.freenode.net" rel="noopener">irc.freenode.net</a> as kbsingh, and you can also call me on the phone
 at +44 207 009 4455.
 
-### <a name="NFV_SIG">NFV SIG</a>
-
-* Weekly Wednesdays at 1600 UTC on #centos-devel
-* Chair (to contact for more information:) Thomas Herbert (tfherbert)
-* [Link to Project Site](https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/NFV)
-* Meetings not necessarily held every single week but will meet most weeks. However, they can always be held upon request.
-* The CentOS NFV (Network Function Virtualization) SIG will provide a CentOS-based stack that will serve as a platform for the deployment and testing of virtual network functions (VNFs) and NFV component packages on compliant CentOS platform.
 
 ### <a name="OpsTools_SIG">OpsTools SIG</a>
 
@@ -120,8 +112,8 @@ at +44 207 009 4455.
 
 ### <a name="Storage_SIG">Storage SIG</a>
 
-* Monthly on Tuesday at [1000 UTC](http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=10&amp;min=00&amp;sec=0) in #centos-devel
-* Chair (to contact for more information): Karanbir Singh (kbsingh), Niels de Vos (ndevos), Giulio Fidente (gfidente)
+* Every two weeks (on odd weeks) on Friday at [1530 UTC](http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=15&amp;min=30&amp;sec=0) in #centos-devel
+* Chair (to contact for more information): Karanbir Singh (kbsingh) and Lalatendu Mohanty (lalatenduM)
 * [Link to Project Site](http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Storage)
 * The CentOS Storage Special Interest Group (SIG) is a collection of like-minded individuals coming together to ensure that CentOS is a suitable platform for many different storage solutions. This group will ensure that all Open Source storage options seeking to utilize CentOS as a delivery platform have a voice in packaging, orchestration, deployment, and related work. 
 
@@ -133,4 +125,6 @@ at +44 207 009 4455.
 * [Link to Project Site](https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Virtualization)
 * The CentOS Virtualisation Special Interest Group ( virt-sig ) is a group of people coming together to promote and use CentOS Linux as a base platform as a suitable platform for various virtualisation efforts. This includes type-1 and type-2 hypervisors like Xen and KVM, containers and containment based technologies like LXC and other system and process level virtualisation technologies in the future.
 
-Page generated on 2019-11-11 10:28:39.480274 UTC
+
+
+Page generated on 2019-11-12 18:01:46.874219 UTC
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diff --git a/content/community/irc-meetings.ical b/content/community/irc-meetings.ical
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..8555e4f
--- /dev/null
+++ b/content/community/irc-meetings.ical
@@ -0,0 +1,162 @@
+BEGIN:VCALENDAR
+VERSION:2.0
+PRODID:-//yaml2ical agendas//EN
+X-WR-CALDESC:Meeting schedule for the CentOS Project and SIGS
+X-WR-CALNAME:CentOS Meetings
+BEGIN:VEVENT
+SUMMARY:Atomic SIG
+DTSTART;VALUE=DATE-TIME:20191114T160000Z
+DURATION:PT1H
+RRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY
+DESCRIPTION:Project:  Atomic SIG\nChair:  Jason Brooks (jbrooks)\nDescript
+ ion:  The SIG is working on several goals including shipping a minimal Cen
+ tOS Atomic Host that focuses on running Docker containers in production.\n
+ \nProject URL:  http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Atomic
+LOCATION:#centos-devel
+END:VEVENT
+BEGIN:VEVENT
+SUMMARY:Cloud SIG
+DTSTART;VALUE=DATE-TIME:20191114T150000Z
+DURATION:PT1H
+RRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY
+DESCRIPTION:Project:  Cloud SIG\nChair:  Rich Bowen (rbowen) and Kushal Da
+ s (kushal)\nDescription:  The proposed CentOS Cloud SIG (CCS) is a group o
+ f people coming together to focus on packaging and maintaining different F
+ OSS based Private cloud infrastructure applications that one can install a
+ nd run natively on CentOS. We are a non vendor\, non technology and non ag
+ ent specific focus group\, but we will gladly work with and build content 
+ to suit relevant niches or vendor ecosystems. This group specifically targ
+ ets users who wish to install and run their own\, independent ( or hybrid 
+ ) cloud infrastructure on CentOS Linux.\n\nThe CCS intends to take ownersh
+ ip of existing CentOS Project relationships with vendors\, and help to mai
+ ntain the updated package repositories for all participating cloud project
+ s. \n\nProject URL:  http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Cloud
+LOCATION:#centos-devel
+END:VEVENT
+BEGIN:VEVENT
+SUMMARY:Community Buildsystem & Infrastructure Meeting
+DTSTART;VALUE=DATE-TIME:20191118T140000Z
+DURATION:PT1H
+RRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY
+DESCRIPTION:Project:  Community Buildsystem & Infrastructure Meeting\nChai
+ r:  Brian Stinson (bstinson)\, Fabian Arrotin (Arrfab)\, Karanbir Singh (k
+ bsingh)\, Thomas Oulevey (alphacc)\nDescription:  The CBS/Infra meeting is
+  for discussing and coordinating operations in the Community Buildsystem. 
+ Anyone are welcome to attend and discuss client tools\, jobs in the builds
+ ystem\, feature requests\, and anything related.\n\nProject URL:  http://w
+ iki.centos.org/HowTos/CommunityBuildSystem
+LOCATION:#centos-devel
+END:VEVENT
+BEGIN:VEVENT
+SUMMARY:Config Management SIG
+DTSTART;VALUE=DATE-TIME:20191115T170000Z
+DURATION:PT1H
+RRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY;INTERVAL=2
+DESCRIPTION:Project:  Config Management SIG\nChair:  Julien Pivotto (roide
+ lapluie)\nDescription:  The Config Management SIG is a SpecialInterestGrou
+ p that aims to bridge the gap between Config Management tools Power users 
+ and traditional users by producing and release RPM packages of several Con
+ figuration Management and Orchestration tools.\n\nProject URL:  https://wi
+ ki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/ConfigManagementSIG
+LOCATION:#centos-devel
+END:VEVENT
+BEGIN:VEVENT
+SUMMARY:Karanbir Singh Office Hours - Thursdays
+DTSTART;VALUE=DATE-TIME:20191114T093000Z
+DURATION:PT30M
+RRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY
+DESCRIPTION:Project:  Karanbir Singh Office Hours - Thursdays\nChair:  Kar
+ anbir Singh (kbsingh)\nDescription:  I am going to make myself available t
+ o anyone who wants to come along and\ntalk about CentOS Linux\, the CentOS
+  Project\, the SIGs or anything else that\nis related to these.  During th
+ is time\, you can find me on #centos-devel @\nirc.freenode.net as kbsingh\
+ , and you can also call me on the phone\nat +44 207 009 4455.\n\nProject U
+ RL:  http://www.karan.org/blog/2015/06/08/regular-office-hours/
+LOCATION:#centos-devel
+END:VEVENT
+BEGIN:VEVENT
+SUMMARY:Karanbir Singh Office Hours - Wednesdays
+DTSTART;VALUE=DATE-TIME:20191113T170000Z
+DURATION:PT30M
+RRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY
+DESCRIPTION:Project:  Karanbir Singh Office Hours - Wednesdays\nChair:  Ka
+ ranbir Singh (kbsingh)\nDescription:  I am going to make myself available 
+ to anyone who wants to come along and\ntalk about CentOS Linux\, the CentO
+ S Project\, the SIGs or anything else that\nis related to these.  During t
+ his time\, you can find me on #centos-devel @\nirc.freenode.net as kbsingh
+ \, and you can also call me on the phone\nat +44 207 009 4455.\n\nProject 
+ URL:  http://www.karan.org/blog/2015/06/08/regular-office-hours/
+LOCATION:#centos-devel via PM
+END:VEVENT
+BEGIN:VEVENT
+SUMMARY:OpsTools SIG
+DTSTART;VALUE=DATE-TIME:20191113T180000Z
+DURATION:PT1H
+RRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY
+DESCRIPTION:Project:  OpsTools SIG\nChair:  Matthias Runge (mrunge) and  R
+ ic Megginson (richm)\nDescription:  The SIG will provide tools for operato
+ rs\, system administrators\, devops and developers doing infrastructure en
+ gineering on content based on CentOS Linux. We will aim to support the Con
+ fig Management SIG ( https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/ConfigMa
+ nagementSIG ) and repurpose their content as and when needed in our space.
+ \n\nProject URL:  http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/OpsTools
+LOCATION:#centos-devel
+END:VEVENT
+BEGIN:VEVENT
+SUMMARY:PaaS SIG
+DTSTART;VALUE=DATE-TIME:20191113T170000Z
+DURATION:PT1H
+RRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY
+DESCRIPTION:Project:  PaaS SIG\nChair:  Troy Dawson (tdawson)\nDescription
+ :  The SIG will work on delivering multiple PaaS Stacks. These stacks will
+  come in various formats (rpms\, containers\, images etc ) The content wil
+ l be delivered into the CentOS Ecosystem for end user consumption\, run as
+  a service\, and support other CentOS Ecosystem projects.\n\nProject URL: 
+  https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/PaaS
+LOCATION:#centos-devel
+END:VEVENT
+BEGIN:VEVENT
+SUMMARY:Software Collections SIG Sync-up
+DTSTART;VALUE=DATE-TIME:20191112T140000Z
+DURATION:PT1H
+RRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY;INTERVAL=2
+DESCRIPTION:Project:  Software Collections SIG Sync-up\nChair:  Honza Hora
+ k (hhorak)\nDescription:  The Software Collections SIG will provide an ups
+ tream development area for various software collections and related tools.
+  Developers can build on and extend existing SCLs\, so they don't need to 
+ re-invent the wheel or take responsibility for packaging unnecessary depen
+ dencies. \n\nProject URL:  http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/SCL
+ o
+LOCATION:#centos-devel
+END:VEVENT
+BEGIN:VEVENT
+SUMMARY:Storage SIG
+DTSTART;VALUE=DATE-TIME:20191122T153000Z
+DURATION:PT1H
+RRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY;INTERVAL=2
+DESCRIPTION:Project:  Storage SIG\nChair:  Karanbir Singh (kbsingh) and La
+ latendu Mohanty (lalatenduM)\nDescription:  The CentOS Storage Special Int
+ erest Group (SIG) is a collection of like-minded individuals coming togeth
+ er to ensure that CentOS is a suitable platform for many different storage
+  solutions. This group will ensure that all Open Source storage options se
+ eking to utilize CentOS as a delivery platform have a voice in packaging\,
+  orchestration\, deployment\, and related work. \n\nProject URL:  http://w
+ iki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Storage
+LOCATION:#centos-devel
+END:VEVENT
+BEGIN:VEVENT
+SUMMARY:Virtualization SIG
+DTSTART;VALUE=DATE-TIME:20191112T150000Z
+DURATION:PT1H
+RRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY;INTERVAL=2
+DESCRIPTION:Project:  Virtualization SIG\nChair:  George Dunlap (gwd)\nDes
+ cription:  The CentOS Virtualisation Special Interest Group ( virt-sig ) i
+ s a group of people coming together to promote and use CentOS Linux as a b
+ ase platform as a suitable platform for various virtualisation efforts. Th
+ is includes type-1 and type-2 hypervisors like Xen and KVM\, containers an
+ d containment based technologies like LXC and other system and process lev
+ el virtualisation technologies in the future.\n\nProject URL:  https://wik
+ i.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Virtualization
+LOCATION:#centos-devel
+END:VEVENT
+END:VCALENDAR

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Subject: [CentOS-docs] [centos/centos.org] branch master updated (63acd8a ->
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 18:08:04 +0000
Subject: [CentOS-docs] [centos/centos.org] 02/02: Update ical file URL
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commit 908b8f4b1423b6277d83130635f5a83fcd9a6b5f
Author: rbowen <rbowen at rcbowen.com>
AuthorDate: Tue Nov 12 13:06:18 2019 -0500

    Update ical file URL
---
 content/community/calendar.md | 4 ++--
 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)

diff --git a/content/community/calendar.md b/content/community/calendar.md
index d67a197..2de0676 100644
--- a/content/community/calendar.md
+++ b/content/community/calendar.md
@@ -4,7 +4,7 @@
 
 The IRC meetings schedule is driven by the [github.com/CentOS/Calendar](https://github.com/CentOS/Calendar) repository.  To propose a change or add a meeting, please submit a pull-request to that git-hub repository.  This repository is mirrored to git.centos.org.
 
-Here is the link to a `.ical` file containing all CentOS IRC meetings, for use in your favorite calendaring app: [iCalendar Meeting Schedule](https://git.centos.org/raw/sig-core!calendar.git/master/output!irc-meetings.ical)
+Here is the link to a `.ical` file containing all CentOS IRC meetings, for use in your favorite calendaring app: [iCalendar Meeting Schedule](/community/irc-meetings.ical)
 
 A [list of all meetings](#list) is available below.
 
@@ -127,4 +127,4 @@ at +44 207 009 4455.
 
 
 
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From amyagi at gmail.com  Tue Nov 12 18:19:17 2019
From: amyagi at gmail.com (Akemi Yagi)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:19:17 -0800
Subject: [CentOS-docs] Suggestion for wiki page edit; "OtherSpins"
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On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 11:42 AM Simon Avery <digdilem at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Discussion point and request for edits (either through an existing approved editor, or via myself if I am granted access) Hopefully a constructive suggestion to improve documentation, and elsewhere in the Wiki it advises me to raise such things through this mailing list.
>
> I recently noticed in Freenode/#centos somebody seeking help and being redirected to http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/OtherSpins as soon as they mentioned their issue was on a VPS. Curious, I read the page and have some suggestions about the wording.
>
> Through this wiki page, the phrase "Genuine CentOS" is used to indicate a version of CentOS that has been modified by the VPS host.
>
> I think this wording is misleading and would like to suggest is is changed through this document.
>
> Reasoning: In the computing world, Microsoft and others widely use the phrase "Genuine" to indicate whether Windows, Office or other products are licenced legally. The inferrance from this is that these VPS providers are somehow providing an illegal copy of CentOS. This is obviously not the case. In fact, this is explained in the text:
> "I was sent to this page because I was told that my version of CentOS isn't genuine CentOS. Will you please explain this?
> We have noticed that a lot of people are offering something that they call CentOS. But this something is in reality only based on CentOS and it has been modified by the people making it available."
>
> Suggestion 1: Change "Genuine" to "Modified" (contexed accordingly)
>
> Suggestion 2: Rework the tone of this wiki article to be less disdainful. My personal view is that phrases like "We are not mind readers", "we cannot provide you with support" are not friendly and would put some people off from asking for help again. (A similar view to overly widespread use of irc bot triggers)
>
> Suggestion 3: Make it clearer that some VPS hosts may provide unmodified CentOS. Whilst the phrase "This is usually the case" comes through, no evidence to support this assertion is given, so it is heresay. The document does contain a very clear guide to establishing whether your install is modified or not, so why not refer to it internally?
>
> In summary: I see the need for this page and think it serves a useful purpose. However, the frustration of the author comes through too nakedly. It is too easy to read this page and consider yourself "told off".
>
> Context, from freenode #centos
> [17:25:38] <UnLokitoFeliz> Good afternoon I have the doubt how I can clear cache from the vps, CentOS version is 7
> [17:25:55] <Sokel> Cache for?
> [17:26:19] <Zathrus> @vps
> [17:26:19] <centbot> You are not running CentOS. Please read http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/OtherSpins and please ask your provider for further assistance.
>
> Regards
>
> S

You should be able to edit wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/OtherSpins now.

Since you did not give us your wiki name, I assumed it is SimonAvery.

Akemi