On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 8:41 AM Phil Perry <pperry at elrepo.org> wrote: > > On 25/08/2022 16:32, Phil Perry wrote: > > On 25/08/2022 16:10, Trevor Hemsley via CentOS-devel wrote: > >> On 25/08/2022 15:28, Robby Callicotte via CentOS-devel wrote: > >>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 8:46:18 AM CDT Neal Gompa wrote: > >>>> I second this. Our quick docs could use MkDocs like the SIG stuff > >>>> does, and the RHELish stuff can use the Antora system the RHEL docs > >>>> folks want to use. > >>> I agree with Neal here. This seems to offer a good balance. At this > >>> point I > >>> would argue that the MR/PR nature of git is ubiquitous and is part of > >>> everyone's workflow. > >> > >> So far I've seen lots of "yes, use this" type comments so I'd like to > >> ask how this compares in user friendliness to the current wiki > >> (assuming that you can get to it because the spammers are taking a > >> rest). I've never used any of the alternatives that have been proposed > >> so far. Are they wikis? Are they usable for a non-technical user? The > >> wiki, you press a button and you can edit content directly and see > >> what it will look like before you save it. You can link to other pages > >> easily, you can format content how you want it easily, often just at > >> the press of a button. > >> > >> None of what I've heard so far sounds even remotely as usable as what > >> we have now. > >> > >> Trevor > > > > I agree. > > > > Git-type work flows, pull and merge requests may be second nature to > > those working within Red Hat, or other developers, but they are not > > familiar technologies to most non-technical, regular users. > > > > The Wiki has served as a key point of entry for contributing to the > > CentOS project for non-technical users for exactly the reasons Trevor > > highlights. A user can easily read and follow the documentation > > presented on the Wiki, and can easily update it to fix any errors they > > may encounter at the press of a button. If we lose that ability then we > > lose a valuable entry point for new contributors to the project. > > > > And lets not forget - developers do not write (or maintain) web-based > > documentation. That is the reason documentation sucks on most open > > source projects - developers want to do cool stuff, not spend all their > > time writing documentation. So lets not give too much weight to the > > opinions of those who have never contributed anything to the Wiki. > > > > I think my point above is further highlighted by the fact this > discussion is taking place on the centos-devel list, not the centos-docs > list. > > > Fabian - please can you give us stats for the top contributors so we can > > seek and appropriately weigh their opinions? I wholeheartedly agree with Trevor and Phil. Here is the list of current and past contributors to the wiki: https://wiki.centos.org/EditGroup It's a long list from many years ( > 15 years ) of the wiki history. Akemi