[CentOS-virt] XEN and RH 6

Tue Nov 10 14:42:09 UTC 2009

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:36:17AM -0500, Ben M. wrote:
> I concur with Pasi. Please substantiate claims of fact with links. 
> Otherwise it is relegated to my phantom fact & rumor mongering folders, 
> which is where this conversation is heading. Pasi asked several times 
> for substantiation and I see he requests have been completely ignored or 
> sidestepped.
> 
> If there is some factual basis to below please supply:
> 
> 
> A) "Still it isn't official, but Citrix XenServer will disappears soon 
> ... It will be integrated under Microsoft Hyper-V ...."
> 
> [Which seems to be awkward since the other way around would be better 
> (Hyper-V off of XenServer).]
> 
> and the basis of:
> 
> B) "Citrix virtualization bussiness will be focused only on Management 
> and Desktop virtualization using Hper-V as a first platform and second 
> VMware."
> 
> Repeating (unsubstantiated statements over and over does not make them 
> more true or helpful for the list members to stay informed, it is only a 
> social engineering tool not an answer. Do you have some links to these 
> statements?
> 

Indeed.

In that interview (that I linked) Simon clearly says they're continuing
in the server virtualization market, and growing fast. Citrix has
doubled XenServer/XenCenter customers from Q1.

Also he says the next version of XenServer is coming in the beginning of 2010.

-- Pasi

> 
> 
> Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 01:36:32PM +0100, carlopmart wrote:
> >> Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 01:20:11PM +0100, carlopmart wrote:
> >>>> Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:27:57AM +0100, carlopmart wrote:
> >>>>>> Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Still it isn't official, but Citrix XenServer will disappears soon ... It will be 
> >>>>>>>> integrated under Microsoft Hyper-V ....
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Uhm.. I don't believe this. Where did you read that? 
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Citrix XenServer was opensourced last week, or the hypervisor+tools
> >>>>>>> part, the xencenter management interface remains closed source (but it
> >>>>>>> can also manage hyper-v).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> IMHO, it isn't a good option to maintain domO virt servers based on CentOS or RHEL 
> >>>>>>>> now ... It is the time to migrate to another solutions ...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> RHEL5, with Xen, will be fully supported by Redhat until 2014. They have
> >>>>>>> clearly stated that many times.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -- Pasi
> >>>>>> Ok, I think I haven't explained well, sorry. Citrix Xenserver's hypervisor and tools 
> >>>>>> was donated by Citrix last week, correct. But Citrix didn't release more versions of 
> >>>>>> the product because it does not intend to develop it and apply new features. Citrix 
> >>>>>> virtualization bussiness will be focused only on Management and Desktop 
> >>>>>> virtualization using Hper-V as a first platform and second VMware.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Where did you read this? You write it like it's a fact - I haven't seen
> >>>>> that anywhere.. ??
> >>>> This will be announced over next weeks ...
> >>>>
> >>> Again, are you speculating, or is this a fact? I think Citrix XenServer 5.7
> >>> will be released soon :)
> >> Ok, stay and wait. But I repeat: Citrix will focused his efforts only on Management 
> >> and Desktop virtualization, not on servers. First past it is do it: donate xenserver 
> >> to opesource community.
> >>
> > 
> > http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2009/11/02/simon-crosby-explains-citrixs-open-source-xenserver-move/
> > 
> > Simon Crosby is the CTO of Citrix/Xensource.
> > 
> > Interview here:
> > http://searchservervirtualization.techtarget.com/generic/0,295582,sid94_gci1372894,00.html?asrc=SS_CLA_failover&psrc=CLT_94
> > 
> > Direct MP3 download link of the interview:
> > http://ehg-techtarget.hitbox.com/redirector.mp3?hb=DM560429E9VV83EN3;DM5212204PCA83EN3&cv.c4=DL|PODCAST_twiv1030.mp3&cd=1&n=/podcast=&vcon=/searchServerVirtualization/podcasts&hec=0&vjs=HBX0200u&fn=http://media.techtarget.com/audioCast/DATA_CENTER/twiv1030.mp3&target=http://media.techtarget.com/audioCast/DATA_CENTER/twiv1030.mp3
> > 
> > Quote from the interview (hopefully I got all the words correctly):
> > 
> > "Q: Citrix already gives away XenServer for free, so how do you plan 
> > to make money in the market, and how would you respond to those who 
> > say that by making XenServer free and now mostly opensource, 
> > Citrix is basicly conceding the server virtualization market to VMware and
> > Microsoft."
> > 
> > "A: Yeah, Anything but giving it away. 
> > "A: Last quarter we added 25 000 customers"
> > 
> > Just listen to the interview yourself.
> > 
> > 
> >>> RHEL5 will be transferred to 'maintenance' mode after a while.. the
> >>> feature that are there now will be there in the future aswell.
> >>>
> >>> Btw. the earlier list of options didn't list Novell SLES11.. it has
> >>> pretty good implementation of Xen aswell (Xen 3.4.1 + 2.6.27 dom0 kernel).
> >>>
> >>> -- Pasi
> >> I have a serious doubts about Novell and Oracle will do about Xen. We need to wait ...
> >>
> > 
> > Both Novell and Oracle having been deeply involved in Xen lately, both
> > are developing and supporting their own products based on Xen.
> > 
> > -- Pasi
> > 
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