[CentOS] [OT] Message-ID Threading w/Subject Append Example -- WAS: pine rpm for centos 4

Craig White craigwhite at azapple.com
Wed Nov 23 17:36:01 UTC 2005

On Wed, 2005-11-23 at 10:16 -0500, James B. Byrne wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:29:00 -0500 (EST), Joshua Baker-LePain 
> <jlb17 at duke.edu> wrote:  
> > I'm sorry, but making decisions based on Stupid User Tricks is about
> > the worst policy I can imagine.  That way lies madness.
> No, where lies madness is in the self-centred way in which some 
> people make demands of others to alter innocuous behaviour so that 
> the data requirements of some MUA or other, that may or may not 
> support generally accepted conventions , that may or may not be 
> suitably configured, might be satisfied.
> I read mailing lists as digests.  Message threading is of no use to 
> me outside of threaded web archives, that I seldom use in such 
> fashion.  Neither is the subject content of much significance 
> beyond keying me as to whether some section of a digest may be of 
> particular interest.  This is not to say that these features have 
> no value, only that my circumstances realize little any from them.  
> However, I have been taken to task nonetheless, because my personal 
> preferences do not meet with the approval of some.  It is this 
> presumption that irritates me.  
> I am not a member of this list simply to ease the administrative 
> burdens that some people create for themselves.  I seek information 
> and informed opinion on technical issues related to the equipment I 
> am responsible for and the vocation I profess, not quasi-religious 
> debates on the morality of certain widely held but hardly universal 
> conventions.  I sometimes (rarely) am in the possession of a piece 
> of information that may prove helpful to another, and so I offer on 
> occasion. However, in the main this list is my way of reaching 
> beyond my own ignorance.  Usually I am in the position of 
> supplicant and I have found the people on this list generally as 
> helpful and usually as well informed as other lists that I 
> frequent.
> But I am concerned about the general tenor of some of the 
> discussions here and how these may lead to ill-feeling in some and 
> a disinclination to actively participate in others.  We are all 
> infinitely ignorant, it is just that some of us possess a 
> predisposition to stay within that which we find familiar and 
> others find it easier to take adventures. 
> Neither tendency is good or bad, they are just personal 
> preferences.  It would be more comfortable for the list membership, 
> and improve the decorum of the messages considerably, if people 
> from one camp or the other, and the many of us that straddle both 
> albeit on different issues, displayed a willingness to accommodate 
> the other side and recognize that there are many important reasons, 
> not all of which we may agree with, why someone chooses to do 
> things a certain way. 
> Complaining about people's email habits, particularly in public, 
> where the content is not the issue strikes me as pointless, self-
> indulgent in the extreme, and reflects most poorly on the 
> personality of the complainant.
as someone who has attempted to solve problems by searching the
archives, let me assure you that the value of threaded posts/replies
makes this a usable method. When the threads are broken, it becomes
impossible to trace through an issue and it's solution.

Just a thought for your consideration. I'm not going to comment on any
other issues that you raise.


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