Robert wrote: > i wish to test it all, everything, just not ummm extremely violently in > terms of hard drive(s). The ultimate boot cd: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ It has various utilities that will test the RAM, the motherboard, the disks... For some it uses Linux, for some DR-DOS. and there is the old: Norton Utilities with the loopback plugs for verifying the serial and parallel ports. -- Thanks http://www.911networks.com When the network has to work Cisco/Microsoft