Folks, Just a quick reminder that the list is about CentOS. And, since it's about CentOS, I just wanted to spend a couple minutes and thank the guy(s) that spend all the time and effort in repackaging, and making things work well. As a sysadmin, I really, really, really appriciate it. CentOS fills a niche that I think Redhat was short-sighted in neglecting, though I believe that I understand the reasoning behind the decision. To the developer(s): Please don't let the bickering and negativity get you down. For every loud voice or strong personality, there are doubtless scores of folks that are using CentOS quietly. I think the CentOS project has a strong future, and many of the insignificant issues that are cropping up are symptoms of growth and project momentum. Regarding list moderation: Of the lists to which I subscribe, several are moderated, and there is a general policy that corrective action happen off list. Public berating is rarely effective, in my experience, for it leads to defense, general malaise, the taking of sides, and other nasty and usually unintended side effects. Just something to consider... As an aside, for the folks who read this far down, is there somewhere that I can look for CentOS volunteership, stuff as needs to be done, and like that? Yours, Jacob Leaver Senior Systems Adminstrator ReachONE Internet