[CentOS] Why is yum not liked by some?

Steven Vishoot sir_funzone at yahoo.com
Wed Sep 14 05:17:28 UTC 2005

--- "Bryan J. Smith" <b.j.smith at ieee.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 21:21 -0500, Les Mikesell
> wrote:
> > Yes, there is no argument that yum would have to
> change.
> > However it could be a small change.
> Ah ... no, it's _more_ than a "small change." 
> Simply timestamping and
> tracking timestamps will _not_ do what you want.
> > Yes, but what you really want to do is give the
> client
> > the least he needs to make what it has into what
> it
> > wants.  You are always going to be going forward
> and
> > clients that update regularly will always need
> only
> > the diff between the current and last prior RPM.
> But that adds to the start-up time.  The more
> meta-data you generate to
> do what you want, the longer this stuff will take on
> the client side.
> > If you work only 2 revs at a time there is no
> difference.
> Can you guarantee this?
> > Yes, one file for the difference between any two
> revs which
> > is almost always what you want - or you should be
> updating
> > more often.  If you need to repeat the process
> with multiple
> > steps, the client can easily calculate whether it
> is better
> > to collect multiple deltas and apply them or just
> grab the
> > complete version it wants.
> Again, this is not a "small change" like you think
> it is.
> > So be sensible about what you keep around and make
> the
> > client fall back to existing procedure if the
> delta
> > it might use isn't there.
> Again, this is not a "small change."  And you're
> going to start
> introducing loads at the server if you try to keep
> transfer sizes down.
> > Keep only 1 or 2 delta/patch files for the latest
> revs where
> > the traffic will actually be happening and thus
> reduced.  In
> > the unlikely event you want something else, use
> the existing
> > procedure.
> More subjective approaches.  What happens if the
> respositories don't do
> what you want?  Better yet, how can you ensure all
> repositories are so
> synchronized?
> I mean, I saw complaints about repositories not
> offering the same
> packages.  It will only get worse when you start
> timestamping, using
> deltas, etc...
> > I didn't realize that you wouldn't call them
> deltas unless
> > you cram more than one in the same file.  Do you
> call the
> > first one a patch, then change the name when you
> append the
> > next run?  The piece everyone will want is
> currrent-1->current
> > so the most benefit would come from keeping that
> in it's
> > own file.
> Are you so sure?  Sometimes there are more than one
> update.  In fact,
> this still does not solve the problem of the fact
> that repositories
> change every few days, and gives you a way to
> timestamp and resolve all
> those changes.
> I think people are asking for the "holy grail" here
> and calling it a
> "small change" without thinking through the real
> issues.  A lot of what
> I see above is _not_ "tied down" into a methodical
> approach and more
> like "subjective" and making the chances of
> inconsistency even worse.
> -- 
> Bryan J. Smith     b.j.smith at ieee.org    
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