The problem is that I don't get "defensive" until people psycho-analyze me directly. Take for example this latest post ... http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2005-September/012024.html "This list is completely useless if you're going to be attacked constantly by the likes of Bryan without anyone else stepping in and putting a stop to it." One quick trip to the CentOS archives will show that Mr. Preston entered not 1 but *2* prior threadds just to criticize me. How non-objective can he be? But when I do it, it's an "attack." "I apologize and I admit it was wrong to continue an OT post here. But I was just trying to defend myself." Ahhh, that age-old excuse. Not even *I* claim "I'm just defending myself." I take full ownership of what I do. But apparently I piss off almost everyone in a room according to Mr. Preston. Unobjective hypocrisy. I'm honest and take ownership. Select others aren't honest and man they never take ownership without a "but ...". -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The best things in life are NOT free - which is why life is easiest if you save all the bills until you can share them with the perfect woman