} Since I asked this question originally, and my good friend Bob Hanson more } or less told me the same thing, it is good to see the logical outcome of } trying after I was warned. 8) Let us hope that in future releases the } developers at least allow us to do upgrades, but at the present time, it } does NOT seem something one would recommend. } } Dave greetings, my experience with it was ok. as was discussed on the list ohhhhh so long ago... that the best possible "potential" way to upgrade was to boot with new CD's and do a linux upgradeany or was it a linux text upgradeany at the time i went from 3.3 to 3.4 via yum and then to 4.0 with the proposed _linux upgradeany_, as i had a test pre-production box... if that makes sense. please note i recall there were some issues with yum at that time too plus yum was upgraded and it was also different in 3.x vrs 4.x... wasnt it? pitr stuff. it worked great, yet i didnt like that after the upgrade some KDE settings were not as i expected and it just wasnt "fresh"... although it was a very functional server that was running the www.qmailrocks.org setup and it did not break it other than... ...i was not running SQL on the machine, mod_auth_sql or something like that had to be deal with after the fact and disabled... when i went to admin the box via http interface, i couldnt login. what this all means is i would rather do a fresh install of 4.x and then make it a production box OR backup everything, make a new box and mnigrate/ restore regards, - rh -- Robert Hanson - Abba Communications Computer & Internet Services www.abbacomm.net