> any ideas why this is or what i can do to make it work? Why does the version of mysql that comes with 4.x not work? The compat libs and oldpassword options should allow it to work with 3.x mysql clients just fine. Since you're not using the provided mysql for 4.x, how did you install what you've got? I think at this point you need to provide some more details for what you're doing and how you got there. -- During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell