OK ... there has been an awful lot of attributing problems to the 4.4 upgrade that are not really upgrade problems. The best I can tell there is really only one major problem: 1. You need to install python-sqlite before sqlite (or at nearly the same time). To accomplish this you can do this: yum update python-sqlite sqlite Then after that, a normal yum update works fine. There are 2 other potential problems 2. There are other (hardware specific issues) concerning the 2.6.9-42 (or 42.0.2) kernel and some users. This is going to happen every kernel upgrade cycle. 3. There are sometimes futex issues ... that is a generic error that can be caused by many things, usually it is a somehow messed up rpm database with double RPMS installed or another problem. Maybe sometimes it just happens, it has been so since at least RH8. Other than that, I don't see any other problems. (Except that some people have more than 1 version of an RPM in their rpm database ... and when they try to update now, there is a version conflict.) I have now upgraded 30 production servers and several dozen workstations and have had no problems at all. Some people are creating their own issues by doing piecemeal upgrades ... that is to be expected. CentOS does not control how the upstream provider releases its product (there are 195 packages updated, for example), nor do we control when the release stuff or what they build it on. I can tell you, however that some things do not work with older releases ... though they are not necessarily listed as requirements. An example is audit and the audit libs. They don't work properly with all released kernels. A CentOS-4.x update is CentOS-4 ... CentOS-4.4 is a point in time snapshot ... nothing more. Installing CentOS-4.2 (as an example) and only doing security updates after that is not tested as working or recommended (by CentOS or by the upstream provider). As Lance said, in the future the upstream provider is going to create different channels for different snapshots and when they do, we will as well (4.5.0, 4.5.1, 4.5.2, etc.). Until that time (just like upstream), there is only a authorized CentOS-4 version ... and it is CentOS-4.x installed and all the updates applied. ---------------------------------------------- There was also a comment that these issues on not on the upstream mailing list so they must be happening only on CentOS. This is also not true. The upstream provider tells everyone to "Handle it via Support Calls" and not the Mailing List ... and sometimes not even via the public bugzilla. As an example see this: https://www.redhat.com/archives/anaconda-devel-list/2006-August/msg00073.html Then they create proprietary (non public) bugzilla entries to track and fix issues. That is their prerogative, however because of that not all fixes are done in public view. We try to move these things also into the public view (again ... in the above example): https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=202446 To assume that just because something is not on the upstream mailing list or upstream public bugzilla that it is not a known upstream issue and being worked upstream is incorrect. The python-sqlite issue is not an upstream issue ... as they don't use yum or sqlite ... however all other issues I have seen are. Thanks, Johnny Hughes -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20060905/b13b2578/attachment-0003.sig>