Fine. Fair point regarding the generality of simplicity and systems management for newer users. I'll leave it at that. However - re: the guy installing openssl and having issues. My point still stands: I had a few RH9 machines still chugging away - I needed to install Apache 1.3 w/ ssl (which means you have to compile everything from the openssl src folder and point to your apache src, etc.) The machine had the rpm version of openssl already installed and I couldn't remove it as it would break too many deps. I could still compile Apache 1.3 w/ SSL in /usr/local and not have any impact whatsoever on the existing installation. I'm only linking against the libs in my new openssl dir. At the end of the day - it's personal preference regarding housekeeping - but lets not forget that it's not rocket science - it's a little folder of library files, they can live anywhere - as long as you know where they are in order to link against them. Finally - if your #centos IRC guy wanted to update his version of openssl - 1. the lastest release was Sept. 28 2006 - so I've got to believe that the current repo's would have this new version. (a la 'yum update' or 'yum update openssl') 2. If they didn't why couldn't he 'freshen' or 'update' the current rpm with the latest rpm? If he doesn't know the difference - sadly he really has no business whatsoever attempting to manage someones security implementation - much less the machine it's running on. (newbie or not.) - All the best - Peter On 20/02/07, Jim Perrin <jperrin at gmail.com> wrote: > > On 2/20/07, Peter Farrell <peter.d.farrell at gmail.com> wrote: > > RE: > > > Installing items from source is bad on an RPM based system > > > > That's simply not correct. > > Oh yes it is. Just hang out in the irc support channel for a while to > get your feet wet. > > > I've got a farm of 'rpm' based RedHat and RedHat derivatives. Big deal. > > If I set up a cluster of web servers that need an odd version of PHP > (which > > I do); > > > > Right. You're likely the exception to the general rule because you > track security updates, and you understand how source built software > and rpms relate. For 90% of the folks asking for help, this is not the > case. They will install from source, then try to install an rpm which > depends on what they just installed, and will wonder why it complains > that their source built software is not installed. > > RPM is by no means perfect and I won't defend it as such, but for > newer users asking for help, preaching the gospel according to > RHEL/CentOS is a good way to get them ingrained in proper > administration habits and help them learn. Once they've learned enough > then they can move out as you and many others have done. > > As an example -> > > >1. Apache, PHP and MySQL will not be installed willy-nilly - each > base machine will be the bare minimum install. > > You're speaking of the application stack here, which is fine. However > in #centos just yesterday we had a gentleman who was attempting to > replace the installed openssl with a newer source built version. This > would cause an endless number of update and application issues were he > even remotely successful in doing so. > > There are several contributing factors to this including some > inflexibility in rpm, a lack of user understanding of RH's backporting > policy, and a lack of vendor understanding of same. > > You are correct that it is very possible to have source builds and > rpms co-exist peacefully, however from a general support aspect, the > blanket statement "Installing items from source is bad on an RPM based > system" is valid. There are exceptions to every rule. > > -- > During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a > revolutionary act. > George Orwell > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20070220/5a721dae/attachment-0005.html>