Well, when people start to fail to understand your metaphors (or switch to the uber-literal-minded mode and attack the imperfections in the comparisons you make, instead of debating the original topic), you know it's pointless to continue the discussion. ;-) But the way this "discussion" evolved is a great illustration for why vi still survives today. If it was a rational decision, it would have died circa 1999. Alright, time for me to disappear from this thread. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/