> > If it is the permissions on the directory that are the problem, then you > may be able to change the owner of the logs directory and then give the > application rw permissions. That way the application will be able to > write its logs, but would not be able to change permissions on the > directory. > > i will investigate all options given, thanks all the issue is that this is a somewhat automated process in that a machine is installed, applications deployed and brought into service as an automated process so i cant check all the time to make sure permissions are OK, ie world readable on logs. i think to solve this i need to delve into the deploy to see why the permissions are being reset -