Karanbir Singh wrote: > MHR wrote: >> Thank you - for listening, participating, discussing and making the >> right choice. > > At the moment, its more a case of a 'failure to communicate' in my > opinion. Lets see how it pans out. There are still some really good > ideas in this thread, most worth looking at. > > - KB I certainly hope this idea doesn't go into the trash bin. Basically, as a sysadmin, this list is like a 10 to 1 noise to signal ratio for me. Today... Firefox crashes. I don't run Firefox on any of my CentOS machines, nor any GUI. The bulk of the posts seem to regard something that is more desktop related. Please understand this is not a negative as this is one fantastic service to those working with CentOS. All good, 'including' the Firefox thread. That's just today's top 10, 15, or 20 emails I'll get that I just have to delete. Oddly though, I normally at least look at the Firefox stuff to see if there is anything I need to know about. But there is a big difference with getting CentOS to run, bugs or perceived bugs in CentOS, dealing with various hardware issues versus discussions of best practices for running CentOS or actually, for me, creating a robust system for the public side. I simply do not understand the closed mind attitudes of creating a second list. If it does not pertain to you, don't sign up for it. But for me, almost everyday, I'm doing a shift select delete of the entire CentOS list simply because I don't have time to sort through the bulk that is not pertinent to me. I actually feel bad for doing this because I am rarely contributing. Linux distros have changed dramatically over the last ten years. It's simply not as easy as it used to be to get everything to work happily together. There is more of a need now than ever to have best practices especially for public facing servers. Often times there is a fine line between whether it is a CentOS issue, if it is any package provided within CentOS or a case where one needs to go to the provider of the software from which that package is created. Maybe I'm the only one here, but I find it difficult many times to get good help within the lists of those software providers, which can often times be a perfectly fantastic cure, but not one that works well within the constraints of CentOS. (I like those constraints, most of the time). This list has been very forgiving with regards to almost anything in a very broad range. But, it at the same time has become unwieldy as it's size has grown... a success story that is appreciated. Yet, I cannot understand why some would be yelling fowl, which in essence is hurting my ability to get and provide help in the specific areas where I have expertise, with the creation of this proposed other email list. Cut us loose... Lets get into a complete and total discussion of best practices and best software to be used for anti-spam technology layered on top of a CentOS mailserver. Now that's a thread I don't think this general list would appreciate nor tolerate for more than a few hours. Best, John Hinton