> I'm beginning to understand why Vandaman was so stiff about his > responses, and the more BS we allow in, the more we'll get. And then those who genuinely need the help will be lost in a sea of random threads. Mailing lists need to be reigned in a bit tighter; for those of you wanting to talk about random stuff, or wanting to talk about "tangential" topics, you should be visiting forums like linuxforums.org. The argument of "choose what you read" is garbage in my opinion as mailing lists are a "pull" medium. Subscribers are receiving all messages. They don't get a say in that unless they completely unsubscribe. On forums, you can pick and choose at your leisure. That's the point of them. -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923 www.knossos.net.nz