It appears that the liveCD (CentOS-5.2-i386-LoveCD.iso that I downloaded late last week) does not contain either netcat or tcpdump. Given the frequent use of a livecd for testing and debugging, those would seem to be key tools that should be available. Obviously a LiveCD can't contain everything anybody might ever want, but I'd give those two tools a pretty high priority; certainly much higher than, oh, sound-juicer, say, or openoffice.org-impress. (See me *not* asking for emacs in this space. Well, unless there was actually spare space just sitting there.) -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b at dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info