This is becoming FUD. Obviously the CentOS Distro is not going to go away. There seems to be some issues between the Founders/Volunteers. However, if you read the messages and the responses, it is very apparent CentOS will continue. At a new domain or the original. Based on the simple fact that we are at the eve of Blackhat/Vegas, and a rather annoying named exploit was released. And then, "this is important", patched by the Team within a day! What are you worrying about? michael... P.S. IOU, many Beers to all the maintainers and testers. > -----Original Message----- > From: centos-bounces at centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces at centos.org]On > Behalf Of Akemi Yagi > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 6:28 PM > To: CentOS mailing list > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Jim Perrin<jperrin at gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Johnny Hughes<johnny at centos.org> wrote: > > >> Why ... we are under no obligation to tell people how how we spend > >> monies. There are costs that are incurred for any organization. We are > >> probably going to disclose how monies are spent in the future because we > >> choose to. If you run a private organization, must you tell me how you > >> spend your money? You get an OS and can chose to donate monies or not. > > > > We're not under any obligation to tell people how the money gets > > spent, but doing so certainly goes a long way building good will. In > > my opinion, a simple 'We got X monies in donations which were used to > > purchase dedicated hosting, bandwidth, and various novelties for booth > > and show kit' once in a while would do worlds of good for showing > > people how we use the money they choose to give us. > > > > I don't have any legal obligation to help old ladies cross the street, > > or rescue cats from trees. It's what you do because you're a good > > person. Doing this in a community sense is what makes you a good > > neighbor, and what helps build community reputation. > > I have to agree with Jim here. It is not legal obligation or > anything. IF I am running a project and ask the community for help and > I receive donations (monetary or in the form of thousands of donated > hours), I would feel obliged to return back to the community. And in > doing so, I would want to disclose everything. Once again, this is > not due to any legal requirements but because I would feel the project > is no longer my private toy and I owe the community. > > >> We are hiding nothing ... why exactly does CentOS need to provide that > >> information to you? > > > Thinking that this is entirely an internal manner is a bit > > short-sighted. Keeping all the problems internal doesn't solve them. > > Not to speak for Dag, but judging by his blog reaction to the news, > > the finance issue and lack of openness is part of what drove his > > departure. If we move to adopt a slightly more open approach and > > include more community efforts, I believe that we'll see a great deal > > of good from it. > > > > It's not that we OWE the community anything. It's that we should do it > > because it's how we want to be treated, and how we SHOULD deal with > > them while we participate in the project. > > I mostly agree with Jim. As I wrote above, if this was my project, I > would feel I *owe* the community. But that is strictly my personal > feelings. I cannot imagine how I can ever pay back if those who > donated their time ask for refund. :) > > Akemi